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At a recent policy and resources committee meeting town councillors agreed that it would not be cost effective to pursue debts owed by The Prince’s Trust and the Newbury Retail Association (NRA). http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=17392
I'm sure that there's a good explanation for this but it's odd that the reporter doesn't say whether he asked anyone from either organisation to comment. |
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At a recent policy and resources committee meeting town councillors agreed that it would not be cost effective to pursue debts owed by The Prince’s Trust and the Newbury Retail Association (NRA). http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=17392
Not very much in the scheme of things. Just consider how much has been wasted by the town council putting together a bid for funding for refurb of Victoria Park, only to lose it because WBC had put forward plans for the pavilion. Consultants for the falling apart of the park due to de-hydration with no published results. |
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Not very much in the scheme of things. Just consider how much has been wasted by the town council putting together a bid for funding for refurb of Victoria Park, only to lose it because WBC had put forward plans for the pavilion. Consultants for the falling apart of the park due to de-hydration with no published results.
A poor attempt at deflection brian. The value is secondary, the main point is the moral one and from that report it looks like that the NRA seems to think it doesn't have to pay for services provided and that taxpayers should foot the bill. |
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A poor attempt at deflection brian.
The value is secondary, the main point is the moral one and from that report it looks like that the NRA seems to think it doesn't have to pay for services provided and that taxpayers should foot the bill.
So what about the moral issues of councillors and council staff lying about the CCTV and their part in the cock-up?? Or do we only have moral issues when it is someone who speaks out against WBC??  |
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Leave User alone. He's waited 5 or 6 years for this moment. Let him savour it. |
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...they said the NRA’s lack of funds and the age of the debt meant it would not be cost effective to take the matter further.
Subsequently, town councillors agreed to write off the debts.
And presumably not let the NRA use the venue again unless it pays in advance. |
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The value is secondary, the main point is the moral one and from that report it looks like that the NRA seems to think it doesn't have to pay for services provided and that taxpayers should foot the bill.
You're jumping to conclusions just a little here. Generally speaking it's best to assume that the simplest explanation is the most likely unless you have evidence to the contrary. I would imagine that incompetence or poor administration on the part of the Prince's Trust and the NRA are more likely explanations than the idea that they're making some sort of point of principle. Or perhaps they're both bust. Either way, there are more effective ways of making points about the 'morality' of the council charging for use of its facilities than booking them and not paying. |
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maybe the slogan of the NRA really is "I'll give you our payment when you pry it from our cold, dead hands"
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You're jumping to conclusions just a little here. Generally speaking it's best to assume that the simplest explanation is the most likely unless you have evidence to the contrary.
I would imagine that incompetence or poor administration on the part of the Prince's Trust and the NRA are more likely explanations than the idea that they're making some sort of point of principle. Or perhaps they're both bust. Either way, there are more effective ways of making points about the 'morality' of the council charging for use of its facilities than booking them and not paying.
The administration is more than poor if they can't pay a three year old bill. It sends out the false message that this is how traders in Newbury do business. |
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It sends out the false message that this is how traders in Newbury do business.
Well the allegation is that it is not false! I'm surprised that it took 2 or 3 years before the council did something. Between 30 and 60 days is normal, is it not? |
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The administration is more than poor if they can't pay a three year old bill.
It sends out the false message that this is how traders in Newbury do business.
The NRA isn't the "traders" any more than UNISON is WBC. You really do hate the local retailers though, don't you. Any particular reason? |
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The administration is more than poor if they can't pay a three year old bill.
It sends out the false message that this is how traders in Newbury do business.
As WBC funds the organisation as well as Newbury Retailers it send out a clear message of how they do business though! |
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As WBC funds the organisation as well as Newbury Retailers it send out a clear message of how they do business though!
So it does not matter if they pay or not the taxpayer still has to foot the bill? Just a case of recycling the taxpayers money eh?  |
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Well the allegation is that it is not false! I'm surprised that it took 2 or 3 years before the council did something. Between 30 and 60 days is normal, is it not?
It would be a false allegation if one was to accuse all Newbury traders of doing business this way, yet this could well be the brush they're tarred with.
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The NRA isn't the "traders" any more than UNISON is WBC.
You really do hate the local retailers though, don't you. Any particular reason?
I don't hate traders, I'm sticking up for them here after yet another action by the NRA that may have a negative effect on them. |
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It would be a false allegation if one was to accuse all Newbury traders of doing business this way, yet this could well be the brush they're tarred with.I don't hate traders, I'm sticking up for them here after yet another action by the NRA that may have a negative effect on them.
I would have thought it would be a more negative effect to know that the taxpayers are funding the retail association anyway? Whether they paid the bill or not. |
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The value is secondary, the main point is the moral one and from that report it looks like that the NRA seems to think it doesn't have to pay for services provided and that taxpayers should foot the bill.
Is this a bill that the tax payer has to pay, or 'simply' lost revenue. |
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A poor attempt at deflection brian.
Sorry, not up to your standard, I see that now but you have to know, that I don't have an axe to grind with the Newbury Retailers. |
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I would have thought it would be a more negative effect to know that the taxpayers are funding the retail association anyway? Whether they paid the bill or not.
Err, the local tax payers fund several things just for the benefit of a few retailers. Nothing new there. |
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I don't hate traders, I'm sticking up for them here after yet another action by the NRA that may have a negative effect on them.
Well said. The advent of green meanies, loss of 300 parking spaces, 10 years of digging up roads, rampant supermarket expansion, online shopping boom, may have caused a bit of a kerfuffle, but I'm glad you correctly pointed out that the NRA's unpaid room hire bill could well plunge our homegrown shopkeepers into a final crisis from which they will never recover. |
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Err, the local tax payers fund several things just for the benefit of a few retailers. Nothing new there.
Do local tax payers fund the NRA, I'm not sure about that. If they do this makes it worse as someone has pocketed taxpayers money rather then using it to pay for it for services used by the organisation. |
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If they do this makes it worse as someone has pocketed taxpayers money rather then using it to pay for it for services used by the organisation.
Are you suggesting some irregularity on the part of the association. If so, perhaps you could be more specific. |
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Do local tax payers fund the NRA, I'm not sure about that. If they do this makes it worse as someone has pocketed taxpayers money rather then using it to pay for it for services used by the organisation.
If tax payers money sponsors the NRA in any way, but the NRA didn't pay bills, that doesn't automatically mean that someone trousered the money. |
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If tax payers money sponsors the NRA in any way, but the NRA didn't pay bills, that doesn't automatically mean that someone trousered the money.
Like I said, I'm not even sure if it is taxpayers money. Someone else suggested that it was. |
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