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Muddler
May 31, 2011, 1:45pm Report to Moderator

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There's so much tunnel vision regarding spending cuts that I wonder whether it will end up costing more in the long run.

I see WBC has just 'discovered' it has 150 extra staff ....well they're agency workers who've been there so long they've just acquired full employment rights.

http://decisionmaking.westberks.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=1648&T=10

So in other words, by using casual workers for so long to keep the headcount down and make the figures look good, they may as well have not sacked the 85 or so this year.
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Cognosco
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There's so much tunnel vision regarding spending cuts that I wonder whether it will end up costing more in the long run.

I see WBC has just 'discovered' it has 150 extra staff ....well they're agency workers who've been there so long they've just acquired full employment rights.

http://decisionmaking.westberks.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=1648&T=10

So in other words, by using casual workers for so long to keep the headcount down and make the figures look good, they may as well have not sacked the 85 or so this year.


You seem surprised? This is WBC what else would you expect? Nothing will change they are not responsible to any one and they stumble from one fiasco to the next. No openess no transparency and no oposition to ensure they perform as a local authority should.  

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Muddler
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But WBC is run by Tories. The guy in charge runs his own business. They've just made a lot of people redundant, but they don't know how many 'staff' they have. SNAFU?


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richard.garvie
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so who is being disciplined / spoken to / public flogged about this one then? Speak to Grahm Jones, I bet it's not his fault. Or Nick Carters. Or anyone elses. Going back to every issue we have had over the past year and longer, there is simply no accountability or consequence for poor performance.
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so who is being disciplined / spoken to / public flogged about this one then? Speak to Grahm Jones, I bet it's not his fault. Or Nick Carters. Or anyone elses. Going back to every issue we have had over the past year and longer, there is simply no accountability or consequence for poor performance.


Exactly make Carter accountable and appointed by election - then he would focus on what the electorate want rather than his own agenda!
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so who is being disciplined / spoken to / public flogged about this one then? Speak to Grahm Jones, I bet it's not his fault. Or Nick Carters. Or anyone elses. Going back to every issue we have had over the past year and longer, there is simply no accountability or consequence for poor performance.
Labour supports the Council's new policy on temporary workers?
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richard.garvie
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Labour supports the Council's new policy on temporary workers?


Where did I say that? I was talking about the fact that the council doesn't even know how many people it has on the books!!! Where else would that be allowed to happen?
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richard.garvie
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Exactly make Carter accountable and appointed by election - then he would focus on what the electorate want rather than his own agenda!


I'd rather see the leader of the council as a position be made more accountable, Mr Carter is employed to carry out the will of the elected members, as are all officers. I think the elected members forget this.
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user23.3
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Where did I say that? I was talking about the fact that the council doesn't even know how many people it has on the books!!! Where else would that be allowed to happen?
Surely they do know, or they wouldn't have been able to produce these figures.

Do Labour support it or not?
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I'd rather see the leader of the council as a position be made more accountable, Mr Carter is employed to carry out the will of the elected members, as are all officers. I think the elected members forget this.
Is this new policy not the will of the elected members? Do you have proof of this?
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Nobby
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I'd rather see the leader of the council as a position be made more accountable, Mr Carter is employed to carry out the will of the elected members, as are all officers. I think the elected members forget this.


I don't think some of the elected members have the time or skills to know the wool is being pulled over their eyes.  On this very point they didn't question WBC on the position. If Carter was op[en to losing his position he may have taken due care -= as it is he isn't and didn't.
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Muddler
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I don't think some of the elected members have the time or skills to know the wool is being pulled over their eyes.  On this very point they didn't question WBC on the position. If Carter was op[en to losing his position he may have taken due care -= as it is he isn't and didn't.


Says it all really. I can understand the Useless Tories wanting to brush it under the carpet, but where are the Lib Dems. It's an open goal, a gift horse, a....oh I give up. Maladministration?

I reckon it's going to cost around £200k extra to get rid of these temps.



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Cognosco
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Says it all really. I can understand the Useless Tories wanting to brush it under the carpet, but where are the Lib Dems. It's an open goal, a gift horse, a....oh I give up. Maladministration?

I reckon it's going to cost around £200k extra to get rid of these temps.





Oh well? It won't matter they will just make a few more further cuts to services for the vunerable and needy to make up the shortfall.
They don't really count do they?  

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Muddler
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It gets better.

Despite the Treasury grabbing £1.1m of WBC's budget, they managed to shut 5 day centres, 3 youth clubs and sack 15% of council staff, the Tories have still underspent by £700k. Trebles all round

http://decisionmaking.westberks.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=7538
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Archie
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As far as I can tell, there has been no redundancy amongst the senior staff at WBC. This is where major savings could be achieved.

Instead WBC prefer to sack their frontline staff. In other words they are sacking the workers and not the shirkers.

There are far to many highly paid staff at West Berks who do very little to justify there extortionate salaries. Problem is, even if you got rid of them, they would expect a massive redundancy payout.
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Muddler
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As far as I can tell, there has been no redundancy amongst the senior staff at WBC. This is where major savings could be achieved.

Instead WBC prefer to sack their frontline staff. In other words they are sacking the workers and not the shirkers.

There are far to many highly paid staff at West Berks who do very little to justify there extortionate salaries. Problem is, even if you got rid of them, they would expect a massive redundancy payout.


Quite. Not so long ago, a major departmental head was seconded to WBC while the vacancy was organised. He got the job AND kept the T&Cs of his old contract. 3 years later, he announced he was retiring at 53 and he was ready for his six figure 'golden goodbye'. WBC checked the contract, found out he was right, and duly plundered the reserves to pay him off.




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