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Newbury 2011 and beyond
A lone figure in Victoria Park
Trudging homeward before its dark
Developers have taken over our Market Town
Traditional shops are closing down
Victoria Park is Newbury’s open space
But now a big decision we must face
Do we need a pavilion at tremendous cost?
Or will this be another asset we have lost? Please feel free to compose and add your own poem to this thread |
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| scaramouche |
| February 13, 2011, 11:45am |
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My information indicates that this pavilion will be built no matter how well organised the protest. It is being deliberately kept very low key at the moment to extole the virtues of the Wharf project of which the pavilion is just "a bit on the side".
There are also plans to move WBC offices out of Newbury. Guess where they will be moving to? |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 1:47pm |
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My information indicates that this pavilion will be built no matter how well organised the protest. It is being deliberately kept very low key at the moment to extole the virtues of the Wharf project of which the pavilion is just "a bit on the side".
There are also plans to move WBC offices out of Newbury. Guess where they will be moving to?
I would be interested to know where that information came from. I suspect that WBC will do their best to drive the project on but I believe that they will have difficulty providing the financial business plan to support it for some years yet. As far as your last question goes, anywhere that RG can't get at them will do. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 2:03pm |
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Victoria Park
A pavilion planned for Victoria Park
So councillors can quaff wine and ogle the art.
Get rid of the swings we can’t have noise
No squealing children with their horrid little toys.
Peace and tranquility the order of the day
Take the tennis courts, bowls club and bandstand away.
No football pitch, that is far too low,
Not the right scene near a pavilion don’t you know?
Cut down the trees and tarmac over the space
Our cars need to park, a long walk we can’t face.
When it’s completed we will have a good lark
When we’ve developed Victoria Park?
No don’t ask questions it just has to be
We know exactly what is best for thee.
We really must have this pavilion in this place
On the last of Newbury’s green open space. |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 2:09pm |
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Ode to Vickie Park Look at that space, What nice big park, Why don't we build something really big, So we can use it when it's dark!  |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 2:45pm |
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Ms Bale with great vigour confessed
She was tasked an unusual request
A pavilion her mark
To find a great park
So Victoria’s now dispossessed
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 2:58pm |
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A un-used space,
All covered in snow,
Let's build somewhere great,
For people to go. |
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| Nobby |
| February 13, 2011, 3:17pm |
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A un-used space,
All covered in snow,
Let's build somewhere great,
For people to go.
But it isn't unused is it! |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 3:20pm |
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A un-used space,
All covered in snow,
Let's build somewhere great,
For people to go.
Councillors survive on Jollies you know? Yes lets build somewhere great for them to go? |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 3:38pm |
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A well used space,
All covered in snow,
Let's not build a disgrace
For the council's ego |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 3:42pm |
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A well used space,
All covered in snow,
Let's not build a disgrace
For the council's ego
There's one person in the whole picture brian. I don't call that well used. |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 3:52pm |
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There's one person in the whole picture brian. I don't call that well used.
Take the same picture when it's a bit warmer and you will see a different story. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 3:53pm |
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There's one person in the whole picture brian. I don't call that well used.
I would like to see you out there with your tennis kit on in that weather?  Wonder how many green spaces were being used at the same time? Not many? Lets build over them then? Come on User do take your medicine there's a good chap? |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 3:54pm |
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There's one person in the whole picture brian. I don't call that well used.
I would like to see you out there with your tennis kit on in that weather? Wonder how many green spaces were being used at the same time? Not many? Lets build over them then? Come on User do take your medicine there's a good chap? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 4:00pm |
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Take the same picture when it's a bit warmer and you will see a different story.
Take the same picture when there's a pavilion there and you will see a different story even when it's that cold. |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 4:03pm |
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Take the same picture when there's a pavilion there and you will see a different story even when it's that cold.
With a huge pavilion blocking the view and the pond gone, then the same picture would not be possible. |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 4:09pm |
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With a huge pavilion blocking the view and the pond gone, then the same picture would not be possible.
Yes, the picture wouldn't be of a desolate wasted space, but a lively centre for the community, no matter what the weather. |
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| Nobby |
| February 13, 2011, 4:12pm |
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Yes, the picture wouldn't be of a desolate wasted space, but a lively centre for the community, no matter what the weather.
Perhaps we should convert the canal into a motorway then - it will be much busier and will reduce the traffic jams |
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| Nobby |
| February 13, 2011, 4:14pm |
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Take the same picture when there's a pavilion there and you will see a different story even when it's that cold.
So you and the rest of WBC are determined to go against the views of the people and do what you want then!! Proof that democracy is dead in Newbury! |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 4:26pm |
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Yes, the picture wouldn't be of a desolate wasted space, but a lively centre for the community Councillors, no matter what the weather.
I wonder just how busy the rest of the town and town establishments were at that time and with that weather? I bet the council office car park was pretty desolate at that time too? Perhaps we should build on that as well then eh? |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 5:06pm |
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Yes, the picture wouldn't be of a desolate wasted space, but a lively centre for the community, no matter what the weather.
I would never consider open green space in the middle of an urban environment a "desolate wasted space", but that's you 'townies' all over. One of the uses of places like Vickie Park is that it isn't filled with people all the time. |
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| 78 |
| February 13, 2011, 5:13pm |
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I would never consider open green space in the middle of an urban environment a "desolate wasted space", but that's you 'townies' all over. One of the uses of places like Vickie Park is that it isn't filled with people all the time.
Just like Northcroft & Goldwell parks. |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 5:16pm |
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Quoted from 78
Just like Northcroft & Goldwell parks.
And the area just South of Shaw House (anyone know what that's called?), and the bit by the Robin Hood on Shaw Road and Stroud Green and.. |
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| richard.garvie |
| February 13, 2011, 5:22pm |
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In the summer, or in the snow,
Victoria Park, is a great place to go.
Sit and chat, run or play,
It's a place to go, night or day.
Graham Jones, if he gets his way,
Wants a new building, if Greenham will pay.
With the green space gone, it's anything but kind,
But the memories will remain, in our mind. |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 5:25pm |
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And the area just South of Shaw House (anyone know what that's called?), and the bit by the Robin Hood on Shaw Road and Stroud Green and..
So we have too much green space? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 5:31pm |
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So we have too much green space?
We? Are you one of us 'townies' now? |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 5:43pm |
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And the area just South of Shaw House (anyone know what that's called?), and the bit by the Robin Hood on Shaw Road and Stroud Green and..
Yes lets join WBC build build build = money money money? just because a councillor is elected to represent us doesn't mean he has to does it surely? |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 5:46pm |
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We? Are you one of us 'townies' now?
Suburbs me! |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 5:56pm |
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Suburbs me!
Don't blink though if User and he's cronies get there way you will be in the middle of a large town in no time? |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 6:11pm |
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We? Are you one of us 'townies' now?
A rhetorical question but the only space we have in the centre of Newbury is Victoria Park and possibly Greenham Park. Marginally you might include Northcroft but the bit of ground at Shaw opposite the fire station could hardly be called a town centre park. I'm not sure that the area opposite Shaw House has a name but historically it was the grounds of that House until cut into by the Western Avenue and the Shaw Estate. There was in the fifties, an entrance gate in the London Road about opposite St Mary's Road. Once again, it's not really a town centre park. So, there you have it, why should any person, councillor or employee of the public believe that they are entitled to ravish an area of Newbury which is for the open air pleasure of the public. Don't even get me started on the Parkway development. The council owe us for the approval of that extension at the Southern end so let them recompense us by not going ahead with their arrogant scheme for our park. |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 6:25pm |
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Suburbs me!
A whole different parish isn't is, Greenham? |
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| dodgy |
| February 13, 2011, 6:27pm |
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It's goodby to you, my old grey friend
Your days will soon be at an end
They'll dig you up and tear you down
Goodbye to you
Old Newbury Town
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 6:29pm |
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A whole different parish isn't is, Greenham?
included as part of the WBC jurisdiction I believe |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 6:30pm |
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[quote=9] A rhetorical question but the only space we have in the centre of Newbury is Victoria Park and possibly Greenham Park. Marginally you might include Northcroft but the bit of ground at Shaw opposite the fire station could hardly be called a town centre park. I'm not sure that the area opposite Shaw House has a name but historically it was the grounds of that House until cut into by the Western Avenue and the Shaw Estate. There was in the fifties, an entrance gate in the London Road about opposite St Mary's Road. Once again, it's not really a town centre park. So, there you have it, why should any person, councillor or employee of the public believe that they are entitled to ravish an area of Newbury which is for the open air pleasure of the public. Don't even get me started on the Parkway development. The council owe us for the approval of that extension at the Southern end so let them recompense us by not going ahead with their arrogant scheme for our park.[/quote] Don't go giving them ideas they may just go the whole hog and make Victoria Park in to just that; a massive car park as they are now short of parking spaces due to the latest changes? would also alleviate the cracking saga as well then? |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 6:39pm |
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A whole different parish isn't is, Greenham?
What has parish got to do with anything? If it pleases you better, and so you may answer the question, are you suggesting Newbury has too many green spaces? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 6:54pm |
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What has parish got to do with anything? If it pleases you better, and so you may answer the question, are you suggesting Newbury has too many green spaces?
Given you were denigrating us Newbrarians as Townies I just wanted to check exactly where your hood was. |
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| February 13, 2011, 7:00pm |
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Given you were denigrating us Newbrarians as Townies I just wanted to check exactly where your hood was.
Fibbing again. Townies is a pejorative term for a certain type of town dweller. Besides, I was born, lived and educated in Newbury; how about you? Anyway, do you think Newbury has too much green space? |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 7:09pm |
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Fibbing again. Townies is a pejorative term for a certain type of town dweller. Besides, I was born, lived and educated in Newbury; how about you? Anyway, do you think Newbury has too much green space?
I hope you are not going to wait for an answer from him Greenham Common I have lost count of the answers I am waiting for from him? He is the sort of sportsman who goes fishing with hand grenades?  |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 8:00pm |
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I hope you are not going to wait for an answer from him Greenham Common I have lost count of the answers I am waiting for from him? He is the sort of sportsman who goes fishing with hand grenades?
Well he types with them anyway. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 8:04pm |
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Well he types with them anyway.
Yes every town and village needs a good idiot? Bless him? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 8:11pm |
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Yes every town and village needs a good idiot? Bless him?
Looks like Newbury has twice it's quota then, thanks to our resident Chuckle Brothers. Of course I'm not suggesting Newbury has too many green spaces. It has more than one as has been incorrectly suggested by some though. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 8:38pm |
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Looks like Newbury has twice it's quota then, thanks to our resident Chuckle Brothers. Of course I'm not suggesting Newbury has too many green spaces. It has more than one as has been incorrectly suggested by some though.
But only one Victoria Park in Central Newbury though? For the moment that is? All the other green spaces do not contain any playground, boating lake, bowls club, or bandstand. If the taxpayers are not allowed to keep any of these why should the council be allowed a wine quaffing pavilion? |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 13, 2011, 8:55pm |
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Of course I'm not suggesting Newbury has too many green spaces. It has more than one as has been incorrectly suggested by some though.
Of course, and you are right, but this is what it feels like when one twists what one says to try to shout someone down (so to speak). |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 8:56pm |
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But only one Victoria Park in Central Newbury though? For the moment that is? All the other green spaces do not contain any playground, boating lake, bowls club, or bandstand. If the taxpayers are not allowed to keep any of these why should the council be allowed a wine quaffing pavilion?
Wine quaffing pavilion? |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 9:52pm |
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Wine quaffing pavilion?
Isn't it supposed to be an arts center? who attends arts centers? Yes a wine quaffing pavilion? Just a place for mainly councillors to have a good jolly don't you know? Leave the park for the ordinary people of Newbury? Just freshen the park up with a decent new cafe and some decent toilets? If you want a new arts center then build it where the Waterside is at the moment? |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 11:44pm |
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If you want a new arts center then build it where the Waterside is at the moment?
I'm afraid you haven't been following the WBC plan closely enough. The Waterside is reserved for luxury riverside apartments. No cheap housing there I'm afraid and certainly not an arts centre. |
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| February 14, 2011, 7:50am |
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And the area just South of Shaw House (anyone know what that's called?), and the bit by the Robin Hood on Shaw Road and Stroud Green and..
Didn't I read the other day that the council were considering selling that patch? To developers I would guess. |
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