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I witnessed today what i thought was a waste of public money and police manpower, (these are my thoughts).
At approx 11.30am today i was parked in the car park at the rear of WBC by Rios burger shop when i was surrounded by 3 police cars followed by the riot van.
Each car had 2 uniformed officers in along with 1 plain clothes officer, the riot van had 2 officers in and was swiftly followed by 3 on foot officers and 2 PCSOs.
I thought that there must be some serious problem happening.
Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.
A friend of mine last week called the police due to the noise and problems of several youths jumping on her garage roof, disturbing elderly residents and knocking on doors.
After calling the police she was told that someone would call round. She is still waiting.
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| brian |
| February 10, 2011, 8:22am |
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Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.
The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables. Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same. We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 10, 2011, 6:10pm |
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I witnessed today what i thought was a waste of public money and police manpower, (these are my thoughts).
At approx 11.30am today i was parked in the car park at the rear of WBC by Rios burger shop when i was surrounded by 3 police cars followed by the riot van.
Each car had 2 uniformed officers in along with 1 plain clothes officer, the riot van had 2 officers in and was swiftly followed by 3 on foot officers and 2 PCSOs.
I thought that there must be some serious problem happening.
Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.
A friend of mine last week called the police due to the noise and problems of several youths jumping on her garage roof, disturbing elderly residents and knocking on doors.
After calling the police she was told that someone would call round. She is still waiting.
So the answer is if you require police attendance just mention drugs in your call?  |
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| brian |
| February 10, 2011, 6:43pm |
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So the answer is if you require police attendance just mention drugs in your call?
Either that or for real excitement mention a gun, |
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| user23.3 |
| February 10, 2011, 7:22pm |
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The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables.
Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same.
We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better.
Prohibition has never worked. It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 10, 2011, 7:32pm |
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Prohibition has never worked.
It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude.
Just imagine walking into Waitrose to purchase Waccy Baccy?  |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 10, 2011, 7:33pm |
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Or ducks freshly swung from the neck! |
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| brian |
| February 10, 2011, 8:39pm |
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Prohibition has never worked.
It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude.
Crack, cocaine or just pot. Habit forming drugs or recreational drugs. Where do you draw the line. |
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| user23.3 |
| February 10, 2011, 8:54pm |
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Crack, cocaine or just pot.
Habit forming drugs or recreational drugs.
Where do you draw the line.
Nicotine and Alcohol are habit forming drugs for some. It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good. |
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| brian newman |
| February 11, 2011, 5:38am |
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The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables.
Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same.
We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better.
14 officers to arrest 1 youth still seems a total waste of manpower. |
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| richard.garvie |
| February 11, 2011, 8:12am |
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Leglising all drugs is certainly not the answer. |
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| February 11, 2011, 9:46am |
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Nicotine and Alcohol are habit forming drugs for some.
It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.
Aren't they both more addictive than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more crime and misery that any illegal drug. |
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| Greenham Common |
| February 11, 2011, 10:15am |
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Quoted from 26
Aren't they both more addictive than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more crime and misery that any illegal drug.
Which make me wonder why. Perhaps it is because alcohol is pervasive and illegal drugs less so? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 11, 2011, 5:06pm |
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Leglising all drugs is certainly not the answer.
Why's it certainly not the answer? How can you say for certain that it's not?
Which make me wonder why. Perhaps it is because alcohol is pervasive and illegal drugs less so?
It's the effect is has on one I'd guess. Most other drugs make placid or more friendly to others. |
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| brian |
| February 11, 2011, 8:58pm |
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It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.
The bad news is that a line does have to be drawn so that we all know where we stand. If it's left fuzzy or at the local sheriff's discretion, where would we be. No alcohol, no baccy, no drugs other than prescription drugs. Or Anything you like Where would you draw the line then. |
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| brian |
| February 11, 2011, 9:08pm |
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14 officers to arrest 1 youth still seems a total waste of manpower.
Didn't know we had that many local bobbies available at any one time but I suspect it relieved the boredom. They do enjoy a good 'Shout'. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 11, 2011, 9:14pm |
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Nicotine and Alcohol are habit forming drugs for some.
It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.
All drugs are deadly if used incorrectly, Warfarin is highly toxic, but when used correctly is a life saver? Guns when used correctly, for target shooting etc, are safe; it is when they are used illegally, for shooting at people, that they become deadly. Hang on I have a headache now thinking this all through I will go and purchase some morphine now all drugs have been legalised!!  |
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| user23.3 |
| February 12, 2011, 3:46pm |
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All drugs are deadly if used incorrectly, Warfarin is highly toxic, but when used correctly is a life saver? Guns when used correctly, for target shooting etc, are safe; it is when they are used illegally, for shooting at people, that they become deadly. Hang on I have a headache now thinking this all through I will go and purchase some morphine now all drugs have been legalised!!
Exactly. It's time for an adult discussion on the subject, not just a prohibition because "drugs are bad". |
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| brian |
| February 12, 2011, 11:21pm |
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Exactly. It's time for an adult discussion on the subject, not just a prohibition because "drugs are bad".
ok then, make a start. |
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| February 12, 2011, 11:28pm |
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I suspect user23 wants to experiment with drugs without breaking the law. Being selfish, I don't 'do' illegal drugs so it don't bother me. Having said that, I believe 70% of crime is drug related, so perhaps controlled legalisation shouldn't be ignored. Although, I understand that the people that live in countries where these drugs come from often live in misery.
It's a moral maze. |
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| brian |
| February 13, 2011, 12:28am |
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The abuse of substances found within our society have a real cost which ties up our health service, social services and the police who together spend a large amount of their time attempting to either repair or prevent the damage caused by the abuse. Whether it is drug abuse, alcohol abuse or just plain nicotine addiction, it all adds up.
Watching the binge drinkers falling out of pubs or seeing the addicts waiting around in Station Road just makes me angry. I have no answer, all I can do is wonder why people allow themselves to get into the loop of drug addiction or alchoholism. I'm also shocked at the number of young people that stand around after school smoking. Why do they do it, there is enough publicity about the affects and in particular cancer that I would have thought that it doesn't take a lot of brain power to understand what the cost will be on their body and in their pocket.
It's a strange world but I'm afraid that being legal or in the case of drugs legalising them does not make them harmless. I'm fairly sure that User is being the devil's advocate with his posting but would be interested to know if he has a solution which would ease the burden on us. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 2:45pm |
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It's a strange world but I'm afraid that being legal or in the case of drugs legalising them does not make them harmless. I'm fairly sure that User is being the devil's advocate with his posting but would be interested to know if he has a solution which would ease the burden on us.[/quote] Perhaps he is fed up having to work to afford his daily fix? He has certainly been rambling on his posts a bit lately? Several members have been trying to decipher he's ramblings? Yes on the other forum he has stated that the criminality is caused by the CCTV system? The CCTV system forces innocent Newburian's to act criminally, he even has a link to prove his case, the theory goes something like this: If you are being watched by cameras then it makes you feel guilty therefore you commit a crime to fir in what people think of you??? Therefore according to User,s theory there must have been no crime before CCTV cameras? There solved it for you? Good old User? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 2:53pm |
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The thing about CCTV.. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 5:38pm |
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The thing about CCTV..
Not the ones you said were working but were not? Not the ones you said caused a mini crime wave when they were found not to be working? Not the ones that are useless and should be scrapped? Not the ones that cause people to commit crimes? Or are we now talking about some different ones? |
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| user23.3 |
| February 13, 2011, 5:40pm |
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Not the ones you said were working but were not? Not the ones you said caused a mini crime wave when they were found not to be working? Not the ones that are useless and should be scrapped? Not the ones that cause people to commit crimes? Or are we now talking about some different ones?
I was joking that this was turning into another CCTV thread. You've actually done so. |
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| Cognosco |
| February 13, 2011, 5:45pm |
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I was joking that this was turning into another CCTV thread.
You've actually done so.
Just being polite and answering your post? Don't get touchy? |
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| jay |
| February 14, 2011, 8:25am |
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Street drugs are now so cheap it would be more cost effective to score on the street corner than get a prescription at £7.20. |
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