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brian newman
February 9, 2011, 9:10pm Report to Moderator

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I witnessed today what i thought was a waste of public money and police manpower, (these are my thoughts).
At approx 11.30am today i was parked in the car park at the rear of WBC by Rios burger shop when i was surrounded by 3 police cars followed by the riot van.
Each car had 2 uniformed officers in along with 1 plain clothes officer, the riot van had 2 officers in and was swiftly followed by 3 on foot officers and 2 PCSOs.
I thought that there must be some serious problem happening.
Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.
A friend of mine last week called the police due to the noise and problems of several youths jumping on her garage roof, disturbing elderly residents and knocking on doors.
After calling the police she was told that someone would call round. She is still waiting.
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Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.


The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables.
Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same.
We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better.
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Quoted from brian newman
I witnessed today what i thought was a waste of public money and police manpower, (these are my thoughts).
At approx 11.30am today i was parked in the car park at the rear of WBC by Rios burger shop when i was surrounded by 3 police cars followed by the riot van.
Each car had 2 uniformed officers in along with 1 plain clothes officer, the riot van had 2 officers in and was swiftly followed by 3 on foot officers and 2 PCSOs.
I thought that there must be some serious problem happening.
Having waited for 5 minutes it became aware what the problem was, 1 youth of around 19 was arrested for beeing in possesion of cannabis (this was the arresting officers words).
I am amazed that all this manpower was used for a small offence.
A friend of mine last week called the police due to the noise and problems of several youths jumping on her garage roof, disturbing elderly residents and knocking on doors.
After calling the police she was told that someone would call round. She is still waiting.


So the answer is if you require police attendance just mention drugs in your call?  
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brian
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So the answer is if you require police attendance just mention drugs in your call?  


Either that or for real excitement mention a gun,
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The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables.
Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same.
We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better.
Prohibition has never worked.

It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude.
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Prohibition has never worked.

It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude.


Just imagine walking into Waitrose to purchase Waccy Baccy?  

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Or ducks freshly swung from the neck!
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brian
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Prohibition has never worked.

It's time to look at legalising drugs that are currently criminalised with an adult attitude.


Crack, cocaine or just pot.

Habit forming drugs or recreational drugs.

Where do you draw the line.
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Crack, cocaine or just pot.

Habit forming drugs or recreational drugs.

Where do you draw the line.
Nicotine and Alcohol are habit forming drugs for some.

It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.

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brian newman
February 11, 2011, 5:38am Report to Moderator

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The thing here is that neither you or I know what the call in was for their action. If the call was that there was someone dealing drugs, then the heavy handed approach was probably justified. My view is that drugs and drug dealing are not only an offence in their own right but are one of the main reasons for crimes such as shop lifting, burglary and crimes against persons for their cash and valuables.
Catch 'em and bin 'em is the apprpriate response but almost certainly, the courts, if they ever get that far, will give sentences which leave them on the streets to do more of the same.
We are seeing a spate of business burglaries in Newbury at the moment, perpetrators looking for cash left in premises overnight. My bet is that if they didn't need so much cash to buy their drugs, we could all sleep a little better.


14 officers to arrest 1 youth still seems a total waste of manpower.  
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richard.garvie
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Leglising all drugs is certainly not the answer.
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Nicotine and Alcohol are habit forming drugs for some.

It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.



Aren't they both more addictive than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more crime and misery that any illegal drug.
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Aren't they both more addictive than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more crime and misery that any illegal drug.

Which make me wonder why.  Perhaps it is because alcohol is pervasive and illegal drugs less so?
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Leglising all drugs is certainly not the answer.
Why's it certainly not the answer? How can you say for certain that it's not?
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Which make me wonder why.  Perhaps it is because alcohol is pervasive and illegal drugs less so?
It's the effect is has on one I'd guess. Most other drugs make placid or more friendly to others.

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It's not as easy as drawing a line and saying some drugs are bad and others are good.



The bad news is that a line does have to be drawn so that we all know where we stand. If it's left fuzzy or at the local sheriff's discretion, where would we be.

No alcohol, no baccy, no drugs other than prescription drugs.

Or

Anything you like

Where would you draw the line then.
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