I am not discussing home owners, only people who generaly rent. You may wish to research the fact that, worldwide, the English are looked on strangely for their aversion to renting, and their desire to own.
Let me take you back to the 1960,s, and a programme called Cathy Come Home (CCH). Prior to this being shown, families (Dad,Mum and 1 or more kids) were housed in, predominantly, Council housing. This was usualy allocated to the man, as he would normaly be the breadwinner. Currently, and following case law, any Tenancy signed prior to 1972 by the husband only MUST ne regarded as a Joint Tenancy.
CCH highlighted that a girl on her own and with a child would find it incredibly difficult to get housed because she couldn't afford to rent, being unable to work for the money. After CCH, such girls were not only allowed to claim benefits, but were also given priority for housing. This has led to the current situation where a girl CHOOSES to have a baby, so that she can have everything laid on without ever having to, or having had to, work to provide for herself. The current degredation in Society is a direct result of these policy changes. Discuss?
Where does this idea that it so easy to get council housing (will use council housing as a generic term to include housing association) come from? Where are the millions of empty council properties just waiting for these young girls to move into to. I know of three people in different situations - 1 young girl with a new baby (planned but the husband walked out) has had to find her own private accomodation; a couple with three little ones, both made redundant so had to give up private renting are living in a one bedroom council flat. Told it is not overcrowding as their kitchen is large. One divorced mum in the midlands with an 18 year old given a one bedroom flat. These are all people I know personally.
The papers only highlight the exceptions to the rule of people living high on the hog in council palaces, but they are not the norm. The majority of people on the council waiting list will never get to the top of that list. Council housing has decreased dramatically since the right to buy came into force, hence the high rise of private landlords.
Where does this idea that it so easy to get council housing (will use council housing as a generic term to include housing association) come from? Where are the millions of empty council properties just waiting for these young girls to move into to. I know of three people in different situations - 1 young girl with a new baby (planned but the husband walked out) has had to find her own private accomodation; a couple with three little ones, both made redundant so had to give up private renting are living in a one bedroom council flat. Told it is not overcrowding as their kitchen is large. One divorced mum in the midlands with an 18 year old given a one bedroom flat. These are all people I know personally.
The papers only highlight the exceptions to the rule of people living high on the hog in council palaces, but they are not the norm. The majority of people on the council waiting list will never get to the top of that list. Council housing has decreased dramatically since the right to buy came into force, hence the high rise of private landlords.
I have to agree. Although the media publish the exceptions where young girls do go out and get pregnant, a lot of single parent families looking for council housing are not in the situation of their choosing. I do know of situations where young girls have got pregnant deliberately and they do shoot straight to the top of the waiting list. But on the whole, they are the minority. I do agree with the original poster to the extent that housing should be geared to families (of which single mother are part of) who are in genuinely in need, but we need to make sure that we don't paint all single mothers with the same brush. Most single mums I know are in the situation because their relationships broke down.
This has led to the current situation where a girl CHOOSES to have a baby, so that she can have everything laid on without ever having to, or having had to, work to provide for herself. quote]
Disgusted as your remarks - I think you will find it takes two to tango ! Sadly a whole heap of men don't have the balls to stand by their "mistakes". Then of course, there are those that stick around purely so they have a wife/girlfriend they can knock around whenever their football team looses or they have had a skin full. Single Mum's of all ages and backgrounds are single for variety of reasons. Oh, and before you judge me, I don't fit into any of your narrow minded categories.
Disgusted as your remarks - I think you will find it takes two to tango ! Sadly a whole heap of men don't have the balls to stand by their "mistakes". Then of course, there are those that stick around purely so they have a wife/girlfriend they can knock around whenever their football team looses or they have had a skin full. Single Mum's of all ages and backgrounds are single for variety of reasons. Oh, and before you judge me, I don't fit into any of your narrow minded categories.
If a girl tells the guy it's OK because she's on the pill and allows unprotected sex, the man may believe that it is a casual encounter and understands that the woman believes the same. If she is using him as a donor then he can't really be blamed.
I find it a little insensitive to suggest that a fella only stays with his concubine so that he can knock her around. There are cases of abuse across all the levels of society, not just the younger 'chav' element. I've seen loads of tracksuited men with pushchairs and a youngster outside the benefits office and I can't believe they all fall into that category.
Anyway, why do you think that you might be up for judgement within the context of this thread.
If a girl tells the guy it's OK because she's on the pill and allows unprotected sex, the man may believe that it is a casual encounter and understands that the woman believes the same. If she is using him as a donor then he can't really be blamed.
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So shocked ! Can't believe I am reading this. One word on the subject CONDOMS - although I understand some "sensitive" little souls don't like using them.
If a girl tells the guy it's OK because she's on the pill and allows unprotected sex, the man may believe that it is a casual encounter and understands that the woman believes the same. If she is using him as a donor then he can't really be blamed.
Unprotected sex with someone who you do not know well is reckless by any measure.
So shocked ! Can't believe I am reading this. One word on the subject CONDOMS - although I understand some "sensitive" little souls don't like using them.
Why are you shocked, condoms have been around for quite a long time now and have changed over time from a device to prevent unwanted pregnancy to that of preventing the transfer of disease. But, the mindset of the uneducated will take the risk knowing that if they do get the 'clap' a trip to the doctor will sort that out. The fear of Aids is not something that local lads and ladesses turn their mind to. So, the condom has more or less ceased to be a method of birth control for the end users. Hence the trap for the unsuspecting lad who goes unprotected, the father of the child which will provide the social accomodation.
Why are you shocked, condoms have been around for quite a long time now and have changed over time from a device to prevent unwanted pregnancy to that of preventing the transfer of disease. But, the mindset of the uneducated will take the risk knowing that if they do get the 'clap' a trip to the doctor will sort that out. The fear of Aids is not something that local lads and ladesses turn their mind to. So, the condom has more or less ceased to be a method of birth control for the end users. Hence the trap for the unsuspecting lad who goes unprotected, the father of the child which will provide the social accomodation.
Firstly, we were talking about pregnancies not STD - I don't think an STD gets you a council house (not yet anyway). Something like 80% of UK pregancies are "unplanned" - and I don't think that's proportional to the "uneducated". Your poor "unsuspecting lad", is quite frankly as much of an idiot as the girl who "traps" him. What I find shocking, is you portray this lad as a victim, when really the only victim is the unborn child - as I said before "It takes two to Tango".
How well do you have to know someone to know that they aren't suffering from an STD. Weeks, Months, Co worker in the office, next door neighbour.
Co-worker in the office ?? Next Door Neighbour ??? Whatever next !
Lots of defence here, but far away from the subject. Sure it takes two to tango, and I know men who have been single parents, but what we're talking about here is girls making the DELIBERATE choice because they KNOW they'll get housed, they'll get benefits, and they can have all the boyfriends they want.
I recall a group of Greenham women announcing in the local rag that children need Fathers, and I agree. However, NO separated Fathers will get their children's rights to see them enforced by the Courts of this country, and that's why Fathers For Justice exist.
Council housing will be coming back, and yes, the Right to Buy was a deliberate ploy by Maggie Thatcher (1988 Housing Act) to take public (tax) money out of housing. And before you start, Housing Associations get most of their development money from PRIVATE sources, supported by land grants from Local Authorities and a bit of cash from tax money.
Currently, anyone living in a Sovereign property is paying something like the first £15 per week in interest on the private money that was borrowed to build the place in the first instance. If they're getting Housing Benefit, that money is going out of the country because most of the private lenders are foreign banks.
[quote=191]Lots of defence here, but far away from the subject. Sure it takes two to tango, and I know men who have been single parents, but what we're talking about here is girls making the DELIBERATE choice because they KNOW they'll get housed, they'll get benefits, and they can have all the boyfriends they want.
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Are you implying that they have chosen the "easy option" ? If you have children, and are actively involved in their upbringing, you will know it is possibly the toughest job in the world. A very good friend of mine is a senior midwife, and the person you describe is practically non-existant. A very high proportion of pregancies are "accidental", and most single mums have been "abandoned" by the father. If they have chosen to get pregnant to get a council house, then they have been let down VERY badly by the education system, and indeed their own parents.
Lots of defence here, but far away from the subject. Sure it takes two to tango, and I know men who have been single parents, but what we're talking about here is girls making the DELIBERATE choice because they KNOW they'll get housed, they'll get benefits, and they can have all the boyfriends they want.
I recall a group of Greenham women announcing in the local rag that children need Fathers, and I agree. However, NO separated Fathers will get their children's rights to see them enforced by the Courts of this country, and that's why Fathers For Justice exist.
Council housing will be coming back, and yes, the Right to Buy was a deliberate ploy by Maggie Thatcher (1988 Housing Act) to take public (tax) money out of housing. And before you start, Housing Associations get most of their development money from PRIVATE sources, supported by land grants from Local Authorities and a bit of cash from tax money.
Currently, anyone living in a Sovereign property is paying something like the first £15 per week in interest on the private money that was borrowed to build the place in the first instance. If they're getting Housing Benefit, that money is going out of the country because most of the private lenders are foreign banks.
So, back to the subject anyone?
With respect, on what evidence do you base your postings? Teenage mums who deliberately go out and get pregnant are a very tiny minority. Girls who get pregnant by having unprotected sex (we are talking accidental pregnancy) are not the only party to blame as Paula rightly said. Even if these girls decide that they shouldn't take the pill or that the guy shouldn't wear a condom, the guy still has a choice. He doesn't have to have sex with her without protection so by my reckoning I would say both parents take a share of the blame. And to suggest all single mothers are sex crazed nymphs is highly amusing.
I agree with you that children need fathers, and that courts should take a more impartial view on custody instead of simply favouring the mother. But fathers for justice does more harm than good. There are much better organisations out there who better represent the views of fathers.
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