You should try to moderate your own sanctimonious approach. Your usual line is to make personal attacks right from the start as you did to me here. I find you impossibly rude and to be honest somewhat lacking in several areas. This is perhaps why you have also started to suggest these forums are a waste of time - for you, personally, yes they are. No, I'm not going to 'put you on ignore' because that's what I would expect someone cowardly and unable to defend their opinions properly and without resorting to personal insult to do. Sleep well.
Of course I didn't make a personal attack on you, I criticised what you had posted. If you can't take a bit of criticism of your point of view or see the difference between this and a personal attack perhaps you're in the wrong place.
Besides even if I did it would have been bad management on your part that caused it, wouldn't it? That's what you've been arguing.
I don't doubt for one second it did. I know what it is like here.
He's laying his cards on the table; I see nothing more than that. It wasn't an impolite thing to post. He is saying, if I am abused I will ignore it, what is wrong or rude with that?
Nonsense; however, he is correct what ever the intention.
They were his closing remarks and frankly, people on here do need reminding.
On this point, I don't think user23 has.
Old Goat is making a mountain out of a mole-hill with regards to greenmeanie61's opening post.
Well we'll just have to agree to differ. I did find the initial response somewhat 'nannyish'. Its just how you treat kids. Wholly unnecessary.
All fines, not just motoring, should be on a percentage of salary basis.
The 'unit fine' system was introduced in 1991 was discontinued pretty sharpish amid much derision. As I recall, the end came when a rich business man managed to get his accountant to show that he had almost no disposable income and thus recieved almost no fine for an offence whilst some unemployed chap with low outgoings was fined over a grand for thowing away a crisp packet.
The 'unit fine' system was introduced in 1991 was discontinued amid much derision. As I recall, the end came when a rich business man managed to get his accountant to show that he had almost no disposable income and thus recieved almost no fine for an offence whilst some unemployed chap with low outgoings was fined over a grand for thowing away a crisp packet.
It's been tried, it just didn't work.
Threep.
Perhaps the answer would be for those persons parking where they shouldn't or overstaying their limit to be given a choice for a first offence, pay the fine or attend a two hour course on how and where to park. If they really can't afford the fine here would be the way out with some instruction on the side. They call it speed awareness if you get a speeding ticket so it could be called parking awareness.
Perhaps the answer would be for those persons parking where they shouldn't or overstaying their limit to be given a choice for a first offence, pay the fine or attend a two hour course on how and where to park. If they really can't afford the fine here would be the way out with some instruction on the side. They call it speed awareness if you get a speeding ticket so it could be called parking awareness.
That's not such a bad idea. Going back to dealing with those who really can afford to pay for a moment. There are some who think that the fine is a minor inconvenience and can afford 'repeat offences' If they were made to do a two hour stint instead of a fine, that would potentially have a greater effect on them as well so hit the money rich / time poor people for once.
......Utterly bizarre one of the worst examples of shirking personal responsibility I've ever heard of, which is something far too prevalent in today's society.....
So that's not a personal attack? I agree shirking responsibility by managers in certain sectors is far too prevalent - hence the signs. I'm just sorry you can't see that.
So that's not a personal attack? I agree shirking responsibility by managers in certain sectors is far too prevalent - hence the signs. I'm just sorry you can't see that.
Of course it's not a personal attack, I'm talking about the example raised in the previous sentence. It's only a personal attack if you're one of the yobbos I'm talking about in my example. Don't get upset and take it so personally if someone questions your point of view. Admin might have to put up one of those signs you seem to have this weird hang up about.
Of course it's not a personal attack, I'm talking about the example raised in the previous sentence. It's only a personal attack if you're one of the yobbos I'm talking about in my example. Don't get upset and take it so personally if someone questions your point of view. Admin might have to put up one of those signs you seem to have this weird hang up about.
That's not how I read it and have no weird hang up - my view is based on many years experience operating and managing staff in difficult and generally challenging customer handling situtions.
So I wholly agree - random and unprovoked attacks on Postmen or indeed anyone is wholly unacceptable. In the same category as what happens in certain inner city areas where elements of the loocal populace find it acceptable to attack emergency service vehicles in their neighbourhood etc. etc. Of course that's not bad management. However, it is perhaps bad policing and highlighting the needs so often mentioned here about the need to keep on top of that.
Nevertheless, these incidents are rare - that's why they made headlines. Management adding signs and so forth where it isn't an issue - simply hightens concern by the staff; who are then on the defensive and see any raised voice or robust rebuttal of shoddy service as the start of a far more serious attack. Rather like the inept interpretation of 'Data Protection Act' or 'Human Rights Legislation' which is used so often as a shield to cover poor and inadequate process. This in turn infuriates the customer - so escalating the issue simply because of frustration.
So often, organisations put people in front of customers with absolutely no training or back up support. Hardly surprising things go wrong. Just a day is all it takes - and the front line staff won't need special signage to protect them.
For the stuff we see in Hospital A&E departments and the news reports - that is a Police and criminal justice matter.
Oh dear - I've upset teacher. Well boys, I'll leave you to it! Anyway, when you get to big School you'll discover debate is all about people with differing views, sometimes quite radically different views. John Wilkes please come back!
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