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Archie
August 5, 2010, 3:37pm Report to Moderator

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I no longer feel secure on the streets of Newbury. We seem to have more than our fair share of tatooed lager swilling dossers and layabouts. What grieves me more than anything is the fact that my taxes are buying their lager and paying for their tattoos.

Is there an answer?
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spartacus
August 5, 2010, 6:43pm Report to Moderator

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Of course there's an answer...................

But he don't come cheap......  and it'll be messy......



(for a start we're going to have to clone a new vigilante from Charle Bronson's DNA.. and that may take a while..... why not sit back in the Diamond Tap and have a drink while you wait....)
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michael
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Quoted from Archie
I no longer feel secure on the streets of Newbury. We seem to have more than our fair share of tatooed lager swilling dossers and layabouts. What grieves me more than anything is the fact that my taxes are buying their lager and paying for their tattoos.

Is there an answer?


The coaltion's cuts and IDS's ambitious plans to reform the welfare system may go some way to addressing the problem of your taxes paying for lager and tattoos, but I can't think of a way to address your problem with people's choice of drink and body art.
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Greenham Common
August 5, 2010, 8:49pm Report to Moderator

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So expect more break-ins near you!  Crime rose under the Torys last time.
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dodgy
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Quoted from michael


The coaltion's cuts and IDS's ambitious plans to reform the welfare system may go some way to addressing the problem of your taxes paying for lager and tattoos, but I can't think of a way to address your problem with people's choice of drink and body art.


What planet are you on !
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michael
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Oh dear, perhaps I should make things simpler:
1) Tory (and Lib Dem) cuts and benefit reform plans will mean less money available for benefits
2) You can't do anything to change people's choice of drink or body art.
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August 6, 2010, 12:55am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Archie
I no longer feel secure on the streets of Newbury. We seem to have more than our fair share of tatooed lager swilling dossers and layabouts. What grieves me more than anything is the fact that my taxes are buying their lager and paying for their tattoos.

Is there an answer?


I know what you mean. Thre is no longer any nice establishmunt in town where one can get totally trollyed on Pimm's & then toddle off home chucking the proles bins in their hedgess. I might have to stop coming to town.
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Threepwood
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Present allowance rates are just over £60 pound per week for someone over 25 and just over £50 for someone under.

I think you'll find they will have paid VAT on the tatoos and certainly paid tax when they bought the drink. So they still pay some taxes.

The answer is simple. Benefits paid only in Vouchers. Vouchers NOT redeemable for alcohol and cigarettes. Simple.


Threep.
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jay
August 6, 2010, 9:30am Report to Moderator

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Present allowance rates are just over £60 pound per week for someone over 25 and just over £50 for someone under.

I think you'll find they will have paid VAT on the tatoos and certainly paid tax when they bought the drink. So they still pay some taxes.

The answer is simple. Benefits paid only in Vouchers. Vouchers NOT redeemable for alcohol and cigarettes. Simple.


Threep.


Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?
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jay
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Quoted from Threepwood
Present allowance rates are just over £60 pound per week for someone over 25 and just over £50 for someone under.

I think you'll find they will have paid VAT on the tatoos and certainly paid tax when they bought the drink. So they still pay some taxes.

The answer is simple. Benefits paid only in Vouchers. Vouchers NOT redeemable for alcohol and cigarettes. Simple.


Threep.


Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?
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blackdog
August 6, 2010, 11:25am Report to Moderator

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Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?


All a voucher scheme would say is that benefits should be spent on essentials like food, clothing, fuel bills and rent - not booze or tattoos. Surely it says something bad about ourn society if we think the worse of people because they are unemployed - I hope I wouldn't judge a person simply because they were paying their supermarket bill with vouchers rather than cash. The stigma could probably be reduced if the voucher came in the form of a payment card that would look like a credit card when used.

However, an alternative would be to use payment by voucher only in cases where the benefitee is found guilty of anti-social bahaviour (especially if it is alcohol fuelled).

I suspect another issue is that many of the younger folk on benefit do not actually need it to survive; they will often be living with their parents, who may well be employed and supplying their child's basic needs of accomodation, heating, food etc, leaving the benefit money to be spent on non-essentials.  They also have time on their hands so it is natural that they meet up with mates in the same situation and also natural that they choose to meet in the town centre - add a few beers and the problems will arise from time to time. Perhaps a solution it to withdraw benefits and replace them with some socially usefull non-essential work - ie pay them the benefit money for doing some of this Big Society stuff.


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Threepwood
August 6, 2010, 12:24pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from jay
Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?


Not sure how many disabled and pensioners are on the £60 Jobseekers, but ultimatley, what's the difference between getting a book of vouchers off the Governent and a single Giro?

If it's an issue for you, they could be given a card similar to existing 'store cards' which can then only be used at stores participating in the voucher scheme.


Threep.
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Gumpo
August 6, 2010, 1:07pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from jay


Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?


A lot of the people being referred to here have probably already had their collars felt for drink related crimes, surely then a voucher or card system can be worked in such a way that if this is the case then the vouchers or cards these people are allocated do no allow them to purchase booze!  Simple.
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Gumpo
August 6, 2010, 1:15pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from jay


Not all people on benefits are tatootood, lager quafing, drug taking louts.  600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  Why through misfortune should they be stigmatised when they go to the supermarket? Many pensioners and disabled people receive benefit, should they be stigmatised as well?


A lot of the people being referred to here have probably already had their collars felt for drink related crimes, surely then a voucher or card system can be worked in such a way that if this is the case then the vouchers or cards these people are allocated do no allow them to purchase booze!  Simple.
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August 6, 2010, 1:49pm Report to Moderator
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600 good, hard working people are being made redundant from RBH for example.  

Yeah, but I bet very, very few of them join the long term unemployed lager swillers that make the canalside & town centre less than pleasant. They will look for and hopefully seek employment elsewhere.
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user23.3
August 6, 2010, 4:51pm Report to Moderator

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Not sure how a voucher system would work given the wanted to by booze and cigs they'd just sell the vouchers for cash at slightly less than face value.

In effect you'd be creating a second class currency for the second class citizen.
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Old Goat
August 6, 2010, 5:37pm Report to Moderator

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Not sure how a voucher system would work given the wanted to by booze and cigs they'd just sell the vouchers for cash at slightly less than face value.

In effect you'd be creating a second class currency for the second class citizen.


Or providing a prescription for something to keep sick people alive.
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