Mr Benyon (Toffs) 33,057
David Rendel (Sandal Wearers) 20,089
Hannah Cooper (New Tory) 2,505
David Black (The-end-is-nigh) 1,475
Adrian Hollister (Tree-huggers) 490
Brian Burgess (Town Centre Mafia) 158
David Yates (Beer-head) 95

The total number of votes cast 58,806

I'm sorry Brian, I tried my best to get your deposit back, but alas, Newbury is full of glory supporters.

The people of Newbury have spoken.

43,000+ people voted for the parties that support the Newbury Vision
158 voted against.

Quoted from Greenham Common

David Yates (Beer-head)

Quoted from user23.3

The people of Newbury have spoken.

43,000+ people voted for the parties that support the Newbury Vision
158 voted against.

This may be a local election in your mind, but then your renowned for distorting the truth!

Quoted from user23.3

The people of Newbury have spoken.

43,000+ people voted for the parties that support the Newbury Vision
158 voted against.

This has nothing to do with local politics. The Newbury Vision has nothing to with national politics.

Its also curious that this post only contained the first line initially and then had the meaning changed by adding the Newbury lines. Stirring again?

Quoted from user23.3

The people of Newbury have spoken.  43,000+ people voted for the parties that support the Newbury Vision 158 voted against.

158 voted against what?  If you think this election is an endorsement for the Newbury Vision (in truth, I'm sure you don't) then you are dafter than I thought.  Indeed, I'm not even sure if Brian Burgess is even actually against the V2025, only maybe some elements in it.

Quoted from Greenham Common

Indeed, I'm not even sure if Brian Burgess is even actually against the V2025, only maybe some elements in it.

I think it's a shame that Brian didn't have more of a solid manifesto. It seems that his main promise was to represent the interests of Newbury residents at parliament level (even though it doesn't really work like that for local issues). The issues that he feels strongly about are better fought locally.

You have to hand it to user, he's the master baiter on here.

Do you really think this was a vote for council policies, and that the respective votes were nothing to do with the size of campaign funds?

Quoted from Meddler

You have to hand it to user, he's the master baiter on here.

Language Timothy!

Quoted from Bartholomew

This has nothing to do with local politics. The Newbury Vision has nothing to with national politics.

Brian Burgess, who also sits as the Chair of the Retailers Association here, says he is so fed up with how Newbury is changing and growing, he's going to run as an independent candidate for MP to put a stop to it: "In the old days, people used to come in and enjoy Newbury for the pleasant market town that it was.

"But it is no longer a pleasant market town.

"It really is a task to get into Newbury, get parked. We've got a dreadful reputation for traffic jams. The ongoing roadworks which seem to go on forever and ever.

"Projects like the Pavilion in the park which no one seems to want. The whole thing has been getting totally out of hand".

Only 157 people agreed with him, whereas 43,000 people voted for pro-Vision parties.

He shouldn't let this crushing and embarrassing defeat stop him standing again though.

Quoted from user23.3

Only 157 people agreed with him, whereas 43,000 people voted for pro-Vision parties.  He shouldn't let this crushing and embarrassing defeat stop him standing again though.

Are you suggesting that Newbury has 157 ant-NV2025 and 43,000 pro-vision voters?  I don't think that is true.  I don't believe that everyone against the changes to Newbury, would have only voted for Brian Burgess.  For starters, my parents are against the NV2025, but have voted Tory because that's who they want in Government.  What has happened in Newbury wouldn't affect their voting decision one bit.

The only real way to say that there is an endorsement for NV2025 is to take politics out of the equation and hold a referendum.  Otherwise, arguments like yours are utter speculation and in my opinion, cobblers.

Quoted from user23.3

He shouldn't let this crushing and embarrassing defeat stop him standing again though.

Especially as, I suspect, it gives you an opportunity to sneer and mock.

Quoted from user23.3

Only 157 people agreed with him, whereas 43,000 people voted for pro-Vision parties.

He shouldn't let this crushing and embarrassing defeat stop him standing again though.

I can't believe I'm engaging with you on this....but you're spinning yourself silly.

For the record, the Lib Dems want a thorough review of the Cartergrad 20 year plan, obviously picking up on the significant local concern. The Tories agreed to review it, but it's already a year late. It must go out for consultation, and when it does, Brian will have a bigger profile to make sure local views are taken into account. It's not as black and white as you make out.

And now Newbury is a safe Tory seat, the balance has changed. We need more of us to stop WBC building over our park and giving away car parks to their mates. The Lib Dems will now fade away, so perhaps it's time for an elected mayor at WBC. I reckon Brian would get many more votes, especially if he pledges to sack you on his first day

Quoted from Greenham Common

Are you suggesting that Newbury has 157 ant-NV2025 and 43,000 pro-vision voters?  

That's what's happened here, 158 anti Vision votes, 43,000 pro-vision.

I hope this puts an end to any talk of the people of Newbury not being in favour if it.

I think you got it right the first time Meddler. Good choice of words, I thought.

Quoted from user23.3

That's what's happened here, 158 anti Vision votes, 43,000 pro-vision.  I hope this puts an end to any talk of the people of Newbury not being in favour if it.

Were they 'pro-' and 'anti-' NV2025 votes?  How do you deduce this, or are you just being a hypocrite and indulging in a bit of winding up?  I think you are wrong to say that this is proof that the majority of people are 'pro' or 'anti' NV2025.