Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Why allow cyclists to turn where cars can't?
Newbury.net - A Community website for Newbury, Berkshire, UK    General Boards    Got something to say?  ›  Why allow cyclists to turn where cars can't?
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 6 Guests

Why allow cyclists to turn where cars can't?  This thread currently has 728 views. Print
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
spartacus
March 21, 2010, 11:22pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 327
Posts Per Day: 0.30
Came out of the King Charles yesterday and noticed that the Council are advertising (there's a yellow notice attached to a lamp post) that they are going to allow cyclists to turn right out of Cheap Street even though car drivers cannot.  It seems odd, when there's two crossing points within 20 metres of the junction, that they would allow a slow moving cyclist to pedal himself across the road in the face of oncoming traffic but still not allow car drivers to do the same.

If it's safe for cyclists surely it's safe for cars to turn right?  Why is this restriction even there?  Presumably when the main route through Newbury took ALL traffic past this junction it may have been difficult to find a gap and get across, so they made drivers turn left... But that's LONG gone.  Why keep the ban in the first place when they redesigned this junction recently?

Logged Offline
Private Message
Victoriajg7
March 21, 2010, 11:58pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from spartacus
....they are going to allow cyclists to turn right out of Cheap Street even though car drivers cannot ....


... but they often do!
Logged
Reply: 1 - 20
Greenham Common
March 22, 2010, 9:07am Report to Moderator

Posts: 1,974
Gender: Male
Posts Per Day: 1.80
Location: Equine way
I turn right on bike as well as car (when it isn't busy), and I know I shouldn't, so no, "I didn't see the signs', from me!  
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 2 - 20
jay
March 22, 2010, 10:24am Report to Moderator

Posts: 289
Posts Per Day: 0.28
Quoted from Greenham Common
I turn right on bike as well as car (when it isn't busy), and I know I shouldn't, so no, "I didn't see the signs', from me!  


That makes you the problem not the solution.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 3 - 20
Greenham Common
March 22, 2010, 10:38am Report to Moderator

Posts: 1,974
Gender: Male
Posts Per Day: 1.80
Location: Equine way
Quoted from jay
That makes you the problem not the solution.

I utterly agree, but if I think something is a nonsense I sometimes ignore it; like a lot of people do, yet I am honest enough to own up to it.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 4 - 20
Brewmaster
March 22, 2010, 11:02am Report to Moderator

Posts: 159
Posts Per Day: 0.15
Quoted from spartacus
Came out of the King Charles yesterday and noticed that the Council are advertising (there's a yellow notice attached to a lamp post) that they are going to allow cyclists to turn right out of Cheap Street even though car drivers cannot.  It seems odd, when there's two crossing points within 20 metres of the junction, that they would allow a slow moving cyclist to pedal himself across the road in the face of oncoming traffic but still not allow car drivers to do the same.

If it's safe for cyclists surely it's safe for cars to turn right?  Why is this restriction even there?  

I agree. The restriction in both directions (i.e. also turning from Market Street into Cheap Street) is ridiculous.

I normally ignore both of these but the other day I thought I would be good and, instead of turning right out of Cheap Street I decided to turn left, then turn around by reversing into Mayor's Lane. I wished I hadn't!

As I tried backing a bus came up behind me so I couldn't get into the lane far enough with the result that I was blocking the road to the vehicles which were coming in both directions in Market Street. The whole business caused more delay, disruption and danger than if I had ignored the restriction.

Isn't the answer a mini-roundabout at this point?

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 5 - 20
Downlander
March 22, 2010, 12:13pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 127
Posts Per Day: 0.12
Location: out in the sticks
Quoted from Brewmaster
Isn't the answer a mini-roundabout at this point?


WBC's answer would more likely be more rising bollards.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 6 - 20
blackdog
March 22, 2010, 5:31pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 1,321
Posts Per Day: 1.20
Quoted from Brewmaster

I normally ignore both of these but the other day I thought I would be good and, instead of turning right out of Cheap Street I decided to turn left, then turn around by reversing into Mayor's Lane. I wished I hadn't!

Much easier to go a bit further and to a U at the mini roundabout by WBC HQ.

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 7 - 20
blackdog
March 22, 2010, 5:32pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 1,321
Posts Per Day: 1.20
And thanks to Spartacus for the nostalgic map from the days before the developers ruled.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 8 - 20
Brewmaster
March 22, 2010, 6:35pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 159
Posts Per Day: 0.15
Quoted from blackdog

Much easier to go a bit further and to a U at the mini roundabout by WBC HQ.


Indeed, and I began to wish that I had done that. But there must be many drivers who waste fuel by having to do as you suggest. And that is not the most risk-free manoeuvre with the exit from the car park being there.

This argument is similar to the one about the entrance to the Abbotswood tip. Drivers coming from Newbury have to drive exactly an extra mile to the Swan roundabout and back.

How green is that?

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 9 - 20
Nobby
March 22, 2010, 7:10pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 630
Gender: Male
Posts Per Day: 0.58
Location: Newbury
Quoted from jay


That makes you the problem not the solution.


Why does it make him a problem if there are no cars or pedestrians to be inconvenienced?
Logged
Private Message Reply: 10 - 20
spartacus
March 22, 2010, 7:27pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 327
Posts Per Day: 0.30
Mapping available via http://www.npemap.org.uk/ covering the whole of UK

"Have a look around, and see what the country looked like in the 1940s and 1950s".... Thatcham didn't amount to much around that time, that's for sure...  
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 11 - 20
Nobby
March 22, 2010, 7:47pm Report to Moderator

Posts: 630
Gender: Male
Posts Per Day: 0.58
Location: Newbury
Quoted from spartacus
Mapping available via http://www.npemap.org.uk/ covering the whole of UK

"Have a look around, and see what the country looked like in the 1940s and 1950s".... Thatcham didn't amount to much around that time, that's for sure...  


It doesn't amount to much today IMHO  
Logged
Private Message Reply: 12 - 20
jay
March 23, 2010, 7:34am Report to Moderator

Posts: 289
Posts Per Day: 0.28
Quoted from Nobby


Why does it make him a problem if there are no cars or pedestrians to be inconvenienced?


If we all took that point of view: nobody about so park on double yellow lines, go through red lights, 150mph on the motorway, cycle on pavements, drive down a one way road, not inconveniencing anybody so it is ok.  You also have the 'see and copy' syndrome.

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 13 - 20
Greenham Common
March 23, 2010, 9:12am Report to Moderator

Posts: 1,974
Gender: Male
Posts Per Day: 1.80
Location: Equine way
Quoted from jay
If we all took that point of view: nobody about so park on double yellow lines, go through red lights, 150mph on the motorway, cycle on pavements, drive down a one way road, not inconveniencing anybody so it is ok.  You also have the 'see and copy' syndrome.

Two things...I didn't say it was right, only that I do it.  If I get nicked, so be it.  I also cycle on the pavement, when I think it is safe to do so and when it is in my and other road users interests to (I prefer to cycle on the roads, and that is where I would normally be).  I won't park on DY lines, I wouldn't go through red lights, intentionally up a one way street and drive 150 mph anywhere in public.

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 14 - 20
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
Print

Newbury.net - A Community website for Newbury, Berkshire, UK    General Boards    Got something to say?  ›  Why allow cyclists to turn where cars can't?