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user23.3
August 1, 2010, 4:49pm Report to Moderator

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How bout at 10mph, or when at rest, or puilling away in traffic?
I'd suggest that most people take that corner at 20mph plus, even if tailgating a bus.
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Victoriajg7
August 1, 2010, 5:05pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Threepwood


The two at eye level don't.....you actually have to drive past them...


Tailgating with tunnel vision
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Victoriajg7
August 1, 2010, 5:10pm Report to Moderator
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I'd suggest that most people take that corner at 20mph plus, even if tailgating a bus.

Not if they've both been stopped at the traffic lights before the bollards.  I doubt the bus would have reached 10 mph
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Old Goat
August 1, 2010, 5:56pm Report to Moderator

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Perhaps a technology solution?  Could we not install one of those devices that London shops use to send messages to mobile phones...
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user23.3
August 1, 2010, 6:01pm Report to Moderator

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Not if they've both been stopped at the traffic lights before the bollards.  I doubt the bus would have reached 10 mph
I bet it would, have you seen how fast they come round that corner and given I and most people can run faster than 10mph it's not really that fast.

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August 1, 2010, 8:31pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Old Goat
Perhaps a technology solution?  Could we not install one of those devices that London shops use to send messages to mobile phones...


There is a simple technological solution to bollard bashing, speding, jumping lights, etc - a car that reacts to the road regulations. It would be easy to have a gizmo in a car that knows via gps or roadside transmitters what is legal. Even better it could automatically pay parking fees or refuse to allow the engine to stop, or the car to lock if you park in designated no parking zones.  

So many road regulations could be enforced this way, saving the police loads of time - but no government has the b*lls to make the fitting of such devices mandatory.
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Old Goat
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There is a simple technological solution to bollard bashing, speding, jumping lights, etc - a car that reacts to the road regulations. It would be easy to have a gizmo in a car that knows via gps or roadside transmitters what is legal. Even better it could automatically pay parking fees or refuse to allow the engine to stop, or the car to lock if you park in designated no parking zones.  

So many road regulations could be enforced this way, saving the police loads of time - but no government has the b*lls to make the fitting of such devices mandatory.


Nice one!  Do that for every offence and we have gridlock!  Nevertheless, suspect it would work
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Nice one!  Do that for every offence and we have gridlock!  Nevertheless, suspect it would work


It's all readily achievable - but it won't happen for years.  Let's face it they had imposed some restrictions on HGVs for years (speed limiters, tachographs) which could easily be applied to cars - but haven't been.  If the government was really serious about the 70mph limit they could have enforced it with limiters years ago.
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August 2, 2010, 3:49pm Report to Moderator

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The government don't need to do a thing.   Insurance companies could just introduce systems like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage-based_insurance then charge accordingly.  Those who chose not to fit the systems - or fitted systems but exceeded limits - would pay much higher rates than those who did.  They'd be made compulsory (by the insurance companies) for under 25s, those with dangerous driving convictions and so on.

Who could possibly object?
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blackdog
August 2, 2010, 5:16pm Report to Moderator

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Who could possibly object?


A good point.  So why hasn't it happened?

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noobree
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A good point.  So why hasn't it happened?


Economics, dear boy, economics.  If the insurance companies could make money out of it and we consumers could save money we'd all have GPS based monitoring systems sitting in our cars right now.  A no brainer. The technology isn't the issue - fitting all cars with the technology to monitor and report their speed and position 24/7 would be trivial.  

Same applies to global warming.  It doesn't matter whether climate change is being induced by our actions or not.  If  the oil companies short term profits are maximised (and our costs as consumers are minimised) by lobbyists persuading Congress/Parliament/us that burning fossil fuels is the way to go, that's the way we'll go.  Regardless. It all comes down to which lobbyists have the most cash.  My money is on the oil company lobbyists.

Never before has the fate of so many rested on the self interest of so few.  Quote me if you like.

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Greenham Common
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Never before has the fate of so many rested on the self interest of so few.  Quote me if you like.

Possibly, but without these oil companies making healthy profits, there would be little worthwhile for pension funds to invest in.
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i have a suggestion.  If everyone (brian etc) if so worried about these damn bollards, how about the retired and bored among you go and stand next to the entrance slip road, with high visiability vests on and stop offending vehicles from hitting the bollards.  

Worthwhile i think...no more injuries, no more smashed cars, no more expensive repair bills for the tax payer. its perfectly legal, and you would actually achieve something rather then just bickering amongst yourselves over whether one can see signs or not. Does it actually acheive anything? (Having said all that, the drivers would still ignore you anyway, then you will learn why people keep hitting them.  Most drivers are unattentive idiots)

Take action, don't just gas about it.
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Greenham Common
August 3, 2010, 11:47am Report to Moderator

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Yes your majesty... we never had this problem when it was a just a road.
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Threepwood
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Having said all that, the drivers would still ignore you anyway, then you will learn why people keep hitting them.  Most drivers are unattentive idiots


I think you've answered your own question there.


Threep.

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