There will be confusion and chaos for a month according to the roadside signs which inform us that Shaw Road will be closed to traffic for four weeks. I think I read it correctly but if that is the case, Kiln Road and Walton Way will be a nightmare coping with diverted traffic.

It is to be closed from 15th February to 19th March for drainage works as it's a flood area.

I'm fairly sure the road signs don't mention "confusion and chaos for a month"

Quoted from user23.3

I'm fairly sure the road signs don't mention "confusion and chaos for a month"

You have to read between the lines.

Blimey, they're not dealing with the flooding in the area are they - or is it just part of another piece of work? My parents moved into Shaw Road when they moved to Newbury. I don't remember much about it as I was a toddler when they moved over 50 years ago, but my mum tells me that the cellars flooded every time it rained.

She also said that back then you could walk the full length of the crescent through the attics, but that's another story.

Quoted from brian

You have to read between the lines.

Or just make it up in this case. I have more faith in the drivers of Newbury that they won't create confusion and chaos in fact don't ever think I've seen chaos as far as traffic goes in Newbury even in the recent snow.

Quoted from Father William

Blimey, they're not dealing with the flooding in the area are they - or is it just part of another piece of work? My parents moved into Shaw Road when they moved to Newbury. I don't remember much about it as I was a toddler when they moved over 50 years ago, but my mum tells me that the cellars flooded every time it rained.

She also said that back then you could walk the full length of the crescent through the attics, but that's another story.

Apparently they are, yes.

Quoted from user23.3

I'm fairly sure the road signs don't mention "confusion and chaos for a month"

Are you saying there won't be any chaos at the closure of this road then? Perhaps that is always the thinking in WBC and they really are surprised when traffic jams occur!

Quoted from Nobby

Are you saying there won't be any chaos at the closure of this road then? Perhaps that is always the thinking in WBC and they really are surprised when traffic jams occur!

Perhaps it will be the same idiot drivers who insist on driving across Parkway bridge every busy lunchtime or evening instead of using the A339.... They get caught in the traffic jams of their own creation yet come back day after day to do the same thing and sit in their cars complaining.  

Too dimwitted to seek alternative routes........

Quoted from spartacus

Perhaps it will be the same idiot drivers who insist on driving across Parkway bridge every busy lunchtime or evening instead of using the A339.... They get caught in the traffic jams of their own creation yet come back day after day to do the same thing and sit in their cars complaining.  Too dimwitted to seek alternative routes........

Who, for example?

Quoted from spartacus

Perhaps it will be the same idiot drivers who insist on driving across Parkway bridge every busy lunchtime or evening instead of using the A339.... They get caught in the traffic jams of their own creation yet come back day after day to do the same thing and sit in their cars complaining.  

Too dimwitted to seek alternative routes........

I've never got caught up in a traffic jam of my own creation - it is always the cars in front of me that have created it.  (I may have added to the problems of the people behind though!)

Quoted from Greenham Common

Who, for example?

Who for example what?  Don't get what you mean... May be guilty of being dimwitted but your question is a bit vague.... You want me to name and shame?!

If there's a bit of 'chaos and confusion' on the first day of the road closure on Shaw Road, that's to be expected.  Not all drivers take notice of the advance warning signs and it's only when the closure is in place that local drivers get to know the impact. WBC should normally sign a diversion.  

By day two or three those local drivers SHOULD (if they're sensible) either be finding an alternative route if they find the chaos too much or should be altering the time they use that road....

OTHERWISE (if they insist on being caught up  in the 'chaos and confusion' for the whole month of the closure) they are probably the same dimwits using the Parkway Bridge...

Quoted from Nobby

I've never got caught up in a traffic jam of my own creation - it is always the cars in front of me that have created it.  (I may have added to the problems of the people behind though!)

Semantics dear boy!  I'm referring to you and your fellow dimwits as a group......

Quoted from spartacus

Semantics dear boy!  I'm referring to you and your fellow dimwits as a group......

Yes and we do you too. (incidently I am the kind who avoids Parkway!) - unfortunately I can't avoid paying for and suffering council feckwits!

Quoted from spartacus

Who for example what?  Don't get what you mean... May be guilty of being dimwitted but your question is a bit vague.... You want me to name and shame?!

If there's a bit of 'chaos and confusion' on the first day of the road closure on Shaw Road, that's to be expected.  Not all drivers take notice of the advance warning signs and it's only when the closure is in place that local drivers get to know the impact. WBC should normally sign a diversion.  

By day two or three those local drivers SHOULD (if they're sensible) either be finding an alternative route if they find the chaos too much or should be altering the time they use that road....

OTHERWISE (if they insist on being caught up  in the 'chaos and confusion' for the whole month of the closure) they are probably the same dimwits using the Parkway Bridge...

It is true that the problems will reduce after the first few days but undoubtedly there will be problems for the month.

No one has said the closure shouldn't happen this time! - just that there will be problems!

Quoted from spartacus

Who for example what?  Don't get what you mean... May be guilty of being dimwitted but your question is a bit vague.... You want me to name and shame?!

Yes.  I'd like to know who, "...get caught in the traffic jams of their own creation yet come back day after day to do the same thing and sit in their cars complaining."

Quoted from spartacus

By day two or three those local drivers SHOULD (if they're sensible) either be finding an alternative route if they find the chaos too much or should be altering the time they use that road....

You make it sound so easy, the one problem is that many people seek alternative routes and therefore you simply move the problem somewhere else.

Quoted from spartacus

OTHERWISE (if they insist on being caught up  in the 'chaos and confusion' for the whole month of the closure) they are probably the same dimwits using the Parkway Bridge...

In a 24 hour day, traffic on Parkway Bridge is free flowing most of the time.  It is, though, very quick to jam up.

Quoted from spartacus

Semantics dear boy!  I'm referring to you and your fellow dimwits as a group......

The term dimwits is a bit harsh, but anyone who refers to sitting in an orderly queue of traffic (partly of their own making) as "chaos and confusion" has led a pretty sheltered life.  

Quoted from user23.3

The term dimwits is a bit harsh, but anyone who refers to sitting in an orderly queue of traffic (partly of their own making) as "chaos and confusion" has led a pretty sheltered life.  

Yes, "more traffic misery" would be more apt.

With the closure of Shaw Rd, the alternative route to go to Hermitage is very convoluted, probably down Love Lane, equally will be a difficult access to Trinity School. People from the Kiln Road area will probably have to travel around the Walton Way roads, coming out onto the A4 by St Joseph's school and at certain times have to fight parked cars and the school pick up. Turnpike can go in the opposite direction and get onto the A4 at Fir Tree Lane.

So alternatives to use but there will still be chaos and confusion for several days but probably not for the whole month.

Sorry I mentioned it.

Quoted from Greenham Common

Yes, "more traffic misery" would be more apt.

Which is far better than "more flooding misery".

Quoted from brian

Sorry I mentioned it.

You are forgiven this time but the Supreme Leader is very cross that you question his plans and challenge his dictatorship leadership. Future breaches will not be tolerated.

Quoted from Father William

Blimey, they're not dealing with the flooding in the area are they - or is it just part of another piece of work? My parents moved into Shaw Road when they moved to Newbury. I don't remember much about it as I was a toddler when they moved over 50 years ago, but my mum tells me that the cellars flooded every time it rained.

She also said that back then you could walk the full length of the crescent through the attics, but that's another story.

The crescent has stood the test of time as far as housing is concerned. There are only a couple of dropped lines in the brickwork and this when you consider that the footings do not sit on a concrete raft but a few bricks straight onto the dirt. The secret is that mortar was used for the brick joints which is very flexible and unlike cement, self repairs when it moves.
The joined lofts is also the norm for older buildings. Fire and safety were not really at the top of the building regs in those days. The house I lived in in West Street many years ago was in a row, and they are still standing, had the same design, they were built in about 1740. and have been up to their armpits in flood water a good number of times and have survived.

Quoted from user23.3

Or just make it up in this case. I have more faith in the drivers of Newbury that they won't create confusion and chaos in fact don't ever think I've seen chaos as far as traffic goes in Newbury even in the recent snow.

This can only mean two things, you weren't here when there wasn't a link road, and you can comfortably walk to work.

Work starts 8 Feb to 12 March (5 weeks). Works in Hutton Close will be carried out in weeks 1 & 2 and Shaw Road weeks 2 - 5.  Shaw Road will be closed to through traffic from Shaw Rd/Kiln Rd roundabout to the junction of Hutton Close for the duration.

User23.3 ".........in fact don't ever think I've seen chaos as far as traffic goes in Newbury even in the recent snow."

Quoted from Greenham Common

This can only mean two things, you weren't here when there wasn't a link road, and you can comfortably walk to work.

He probably stayed at home, in bed - especially during the snow! Either that, or he ought to go to Spec Savers!  

Quoted from LocalRes

User23.3 ".........in fact don't ever think I've seen chaos as far as traffic goes in Newbury even in the recent snow."




He probably stayed at home, in bed - especially during the snow! Either that, or he ought to go to Spec Savers!  

He does work at WBC! perhaps they're in such chaos that it seems like normality to him!  

Quoted from LocalRes

User23.3 ".........in fact don't ever think I've seen chaos as far as traffic goes in Newbury even in the recent snow."




He probably stayed at home, in bed - especially during the snow! Either that, or he ought to go to Spec Savers!  

My definition of chaos and confusion would be what's happening in Haiti at the moment.

What sort of chaos are you talking about, I didn't see any here and in fact I was impressed with how well restrained and sensible everyone I saw driving was during the snow. To use a well know phase it seemed to be a case of Keep Calm and Carry On.

Stop imaging me in bed for a minute and give us all an idea of this chaos on the roads you saw in Newbury.

Quoted from user23.3

My definition of chaos and confusion would be what's happening in Haiti at the moment.

This is an extreme example, but doesn't necessarily negate other people's point-of-view about how the traffic can get in Newbury sometimes.  Particularly around the time of the snow we had.

Like I said, your opinion suggests that you are able to go about your business quite comfortably without the use of the car.

Quoted from user23.3

My definition of chaos and confusion would be what's happening in Haiti at the moment.

Really? Thousands dead yet it's only "chaos & confusion"? What was the Boxing Day tsunami? A high tide?

Chaos...typically means a state lacking order or predictability.
Confusion.... usually refers to loss of orientation

Both fairly good descriptive words that certainly bear no relationship to the mayhem and destruction post earthquake. Thanks for that advice on the use of the English language User.

Oh and by the way, I made no comment on the reasons that the road was to be closed.

Quoted from brian

Chaos...typically means a state lacking order or predictability.
Confusion.... usually refers to loss of orientation

.......

Perhaps that is just part of day-to-day work life for User and his work colleagues!!

Quoted from brian

Chaos...typically means a state lacking order or predictability.
Confusion.... usually refers to loss of orientation

Both fairly good descriptive words that certainly bear no relationship to the mayhem and destruction post earthquake. Thanks for that advice on the use of the English language User.

Oh and by the way, I made no comment on the reasons that the road was to be closed.

Haiti is very much a state lacking order or predictability.

Quoted from user23.3

Haiti is very much a state lacking order or predictability.

Not quite sure why you always need to have the last word. I bet you're a wow in the pub.

Quoted from brian

Not quite sure why you always need to have the last word. I bet you're a wow in the pub.

I notice he is quick to dismiss people's opinions as being exaggerated, yet he uses the same technique to promote his!

It is obvious that Haiti would be in a state of chaos and confusion, but it need not take a major earthquake before the state of chaos and confusion ensues.

Quoted from brian

Not quite sure why you always need to have the last word. I bet you're a wow in the pub.

I don't. Not including this thread you've had the "last word" on three threads to my one.

http://www.newbury.net/forum/b-verbal/

Seems to be a strange thing to highlight when you're three times more likely to do it than I. You're probably just getting personal to try and divert attention away from the debate as a few others seem to do too.

Quoted from user23.3

...You're probably just getting personal to try and divert attention away from the debate as a few others seem to do too.

Again, criticise someone for something you do yourself!  

The Walton way round is not too clever this evening with residents parking opposite sides of the road. It's a bit of a chicane at the best of times but with the extra traffic flow not easy getting through.

Keeps traffic speeds low though dunnit....?

Important question:  Was there 'chaos and confusion'?

Quoted from spartacus

Keeps traffic speeds low though dunnit....?

Important question:  Was there 'chaos and confusion'?

Probably none this week as it is half term. Not that the work should not go ahead anyway.

At the 2 mini roundabouts in Shaw it states access to the Cock Public house and the shop.
At the Robin Hood junction it says the same.
Easy just drive through as normal with due care and attention and there is no problem.

Quoted from brian newman

At the 2 mini roundabouts in Shaw it states access to the Cock Public house and the shop.
At the Robin Hood junction it says the same.
Easy just drive through as normal with due care and attention and there is no problem.

If you did that on a driving test, would you pass?

Quoted from brian newman

At the 2 mini roundabouts in Shaw it states access to the Cock Public house and the shop.
At the Robin Hood junction it says the same.
Easy just drive through as normal with due care and attention and there is no problem.

The Elf and safety guys will get you if you mow down one of the operatives taking your short cut down a closed road. I suspect that you won't be able to do that much longer.

Quoted from brian

The Elf and safety guys will get you if you mow down one of the operatives taking your short cut down a closed road. I suspect that you won't be able to do that much longer.

We have been told that at various times there will be no access at all to our houses.  Haven't informed us when yet.

Quoted from 78

If you did that on a driving test, would you pass?

I dont know. What do you think i am not a driving examiner  

Quoted from 78

If you did that on a driving test, would you pass?

The examiner tells you which road he wants you to take so if he says go left, one must assume that you would go left but then stop and advise him of his error.

What say you Brian N.