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Perhaps our resident historians can give us the lowdown on the buildings shown in this picture.

Especially for Blackdog, there is a glimpse of the old Newmarket Inn.
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The main building was St Mary's Hill almshouses - for six widows.  Built in 1864 (but a much, much older charity) and demolished in the 1970s (very soon after this picture) so the council could build Mill Reef house - another of my particular favourites in the 'Newbury's ghastliest building' stakes. Four bungalows were built in Derby Road for St Mary's charity (in the front gardens of Upper Raymond's Almshouses) - so there are still places for four widows.  Mind you, whoever, allowed drab 60s bungalows to be put there should be have been strangled at birth.
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Was the shop on the right a chip shop back then?
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Was the shop on the right a chip shop back then?


Yes it was. Fish and chips in those days was 1 shilling and sixpence (7 and a half pence in todays money). It's nearly a fiver for the same thing today.

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Yes it was. Fish and chips in those days was 1 shilling and sixpence (7 and a half pence in todays money). It's nearly a fiver for the same thing today.

Would that be the chip shop that Hendrix was allegedly meant to have visited while gigging at the Plaza?

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Quoted from Greenham Common

Would that be the chip shop that Hendrix was allegedly meant to have visited while gigging at the Plaza?



Yep, It certainly would..I only wish I had some photos to prove it.. I detect a hint of doubt in your quote-but that doesn't matter as I was there!!!!!!
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Yes it was. Fish and chips in those days was 1 shilling and sixpence (7 and a half pence in todays money). It's nearly a fiver for the same thing today.



yes but the average daily wage then was only 2 shillings, making a fish supper a real treat.
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Yep, It certainly would..I only wish I had some photos to prove it.. I detect a hint of doubt in your quote-but that doesn't matter as I was there!!!!!!

I only said allegedly, because I didn't know if it was true or not, or whether it was another chippy!  

I've been told it was known as Brindley's.  There was another one called Somerscales; on the London Rd.
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I've been told it was known as Brindley's.

J (John?) Brindley started a chippy there in the 1920s - the family were fishmongers before that and had a shop where the cinema is now (next door to the New Market Inn).
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Quoted from blackdog

J (John?) Brindley started a chippy there in the 1920s - the family were fishmongers before that and had a shop where the cinema is now (next door to the New Market Inn).


Blimey, how old are you?
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Blimey, how old are you?


Old enough to read and interested enough to bother.  There is plenty of evidence around showing what shops were where back to the 1880s (when today's chippy was two boozers, the Steamer and the Weavers' Arms).
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Old enough to read and interested enough to bother.  There is plenty of evidence around showing what shops were where back to the 1880s (when today's chippy was two boozers, the Steamer and the Weavers' Arms).


I remember them well-The Steamers sold the cheapest bitter in town and you could purchase 2 lbs of pigs trotters for 2d..Chitlings were quite expensive though, a bit of a luxery at that time!
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Perhaps our resident historians can give us the lowdown on the buildings shown in this picture.

Especially for Blackdog, there is a glimpse of the old Newmarket Inn.


I love this photo-and have it as a background on my PC-My dad was a great friend of Mr Parker the Butcher..
See how you could leave your doors open then, probably keys in ign as well!
It wouldn't be a bad idea for an Everest Rep to call on them.. I think there is a good chance of an order or two!
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Nice shot of the almshouses. They don't look in too bad condition there, Pity they had to go to make way for that ugly brick building, I'm sure that a few quid bunged at them would have made a few pensioners happy rather than being dumped in the flats in Carnarvon Plce and in Derby Rd.
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Nice shot of the almshouses. They don't look in too bad condition there,

Empty and boarded up, weeds growing in the courtyard - this must be shortly before demolition.  Did they go because the Council wanted the space for thir new offices or did the charity decide on the move for their own reasons?
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Pity they had to go to make way for that ugly brick building, I'm sure that a few quid bunged at them would have made a few pensioners happy rather than being dumped in the flats in Carnarvon Plce and in Derby Rd.

I suspect the new bungalows they built for them in Derby Road offered a lot nicer living conditions - only four bungalows though, replacing six almshouses in this block.  Mind you 1960s bungalows are a bit of an eyesore in Derby Road - still, if the Council wanted some new offices aesthetic considerations wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Empty and boarded up, weeds growing in the courtyard - this must be shortly before demolition.  Did they go because the Council wanted the space for thir new offices or did the charity decide on the move for their own reasons?

I suspect the new bungalows they built for them in Derby Road offered a lot nicer living conditions - only four bungalows though, replacing six almshouses in this block.  Mind you 1960s bungalows are a bit of an eyesore in Derby Road - still, if the Council wanted some new offices aesthetic considerations wouldn't have stood a chance.


No good crying over spilt milk as my old mum used to say. Whatever the reasons, they are gone and it is yet another bit of Newbury's heritage gone for ever, gradually chipped away by greedy development and people on ego trips.

Still, in the words of Axl Rose "Nothing lasts for ever."

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I remember my dad used to park in front of the almshouses in the late 1960's when we went to the library on Saturday afternoons. They were pretty derelict by then, and I particularly recall a large notice in the front quadrangle warning against falling slates.

Incidentally, you can still see traces of the whitewash on the adjoining buildings.
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Just down the road towards the Post Office was a Cafe called The Welcome.. In the early 60's my mate and I used to collect the papers from Tufnalls for our paper round about 7 ish and then straight to the Welcome for a plate of chips(with a Tomato Sauce covering), play the pinball machine(highest score of the week won 200 fags)..When our sixpences ran out we would deliver the papers.. Apologies for anyone on my round then, for their lateness!!  Oh the memories....
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The fish and chip shop became The Lemon Plaice, and at that time only took up one unit.
Next to that was a ladies hairdressers, own by Gus (I believe he was part Greek or Turk, part italian or similar), who had contacts in Italy and brought in italian glass and sold it in the downstairs unit - the hairdressers were upstairs. The unit was divided 2/3 - 1/3 with the 1/3 being the access to the stairs for the 1st floor.

Next to that was Blue Cross Drycleaners, run by Mr & Mrs Field. The unit had previously been The Gas Board showrooms, which had now moved to Northbrook Street, and later returning to the redeveloped shops north of The Newmarket, in Cheap Street (now gone). Prior to The Gas Board showrooms, this was The Weavers Arms, I believe.

Then the Empire Cafe, run by Mr & Mrs Robinson, and now run by their daughter.

The building on the corner was the Prudential offices.

Opposite the Fish & Chip shop was Povey & Wade (a double shop) on the corner of Kings Road west, an electrical, lighting and musical instrument retailers. Later they moved to Thatcham for a while, before disappearing.
Coming back towards the library, next I believe was Seward's - estate agents, then Earthy's jewellers.

Opposite Blue Cross, and to the left of the King Charles was the pet shop, with offices above which housed Bennett's (insurance agent) and a B.R.S. franchise parcel receiving office and delivery, run by Miss Gould, sister of John Gould, the lock keeper. To the left, The Laurel chinese restaurant was there then, as was a Bollom Drycleaners receiving shop, before you get to the Welcome Cafe, and past them an old fashioned Gents Outfitters, whose name I can't recall.

Opposite, and next to The Newmarket Inn was Quartermains, an electrical television retailers. that block also contained a tobacconist, a cobblers, and Fishers greengrocers at the far end, before Plenty's factory, that continued opposite the Post Office, up to the shoe shop, which remains, but under a different name. There was a dentist's above the middle of this parade, called Budd - better known as Budd the butcher!

Down Kings Road West was Newbury Mineral Water depot on the left hand side, and on the right was a courtyard which housed a few small units, including a cabinet maker, and also used by Fishers for storage, and their market stall, which would be wheeled down the street every Thurs and Sat., to the market place.

There are other units between that I have missed out as I do not remember them all.
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The fish and chip shop became The Lemon Plaice, and at that time only took up one unit.
Next to that was a ladies hairdressers, own by Gus (I believe he was part Greek or Turk, part italian or similar), who had contacts in Italy and brought in italian glass and sold it in the downstairs unit - the hairdressers were upstairs. The unit was divided 2/3 - 1/3 with the 1/3 being the access to the stairs for the 1st floor.

Next to that was Blue Cross Drycleaners, run by Mr & Mrs Field. The unit had previously been The Gas Board showrooms, which had now moved to Northbrook Street, and later returning to the redeveloped shops north of The Newmarket, in Cheap Street (now gone). Prior to The Gas Board showrooms, this was The Weavers Arms, I believe.

Then the Empire Cafe, run by Mr & Mrs Robinson, and now run by their daughter.

The building on the corner was the Prudential offices.

Opposite the Fish & Chip shop was Povey & Wade (a double shop) on the corner of Kings Road west, an electrical, lighting and musical instrument retailers. Later they moved to Thatcham for a while, before disappearing.
Coming back towards the library, next I believe was Seward's - estate agents, then Earthy's jewellers.

Opposite Blue Cross, and to the left of the King Charles was the pet shop, with offices above which housed Bennett's (insurance agent) and a B.R.S. franchise parcel receiving office and delivery, run by Miss Gould, sister of John Gould, the lock keeper. To the left, The Laurel chinese restaurant was there then, as was a Bollom Drycleaners receiving shop, before you get to the Welcome Cafe, and past them an old fashioned Gents Outfitters, whose name I can't recall.

Opposite, and next to The Newmarket Inn was Quartermains, an electrical television retailers. that block also contained a tobacconist, a cobblers, and Fishers greengrocers at the far end, before Plenty's factory, that continued opposite the Post Office, up to the shoe shop, which remains, but under a different name. There was a dentist's above the middle of this parade, called Budd - better known as Budd the butcher!

Down Kings Road West was Newbury Mineral Water depot on the left hand side, and on the right was a courtyard which housed a few small units, including a cabinet maker, and also used by Fishers for storage, and their market stall, which would be wheeled down the street every Thurs and Sat., to the market place.

There are other units between that I have missed out as I do not remember them all.
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There was also a Model Makers shop somewhere near the Empire Cafe.
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Quoted from LocalRes
The fish and chip shop became The Lemon Plaice, and at that time only took up one unit.
Next to that was a ladies hairdressers, own by Gus (I believe he was part Greek or Turk, part italian or similar), who had contacts in Italy and brought in italian glass and sold it in the downstairs unit - the hairdressers were upstairs. The unit was divided 2/3 - 1/3 with the 1/3 being the access to the stairs for the 1st floor.

Next to that was Blue Cross Drycleaners, run by Mr & Mrs Field. The unit had previously been The Gas Board showrooms, which had now moved to Northbrook Street, and later returning to the redeveloped shops north of The Newmarket, in Cheap Street (now gone). Prior to The Gas Board showrooms, this was The Weavers Arms, I believe.

Then the Empire Cafe, run by Mr & Mrs Robinson, and now run by their daughter.

The building on the corner was the Prudential offices.

Opposite the Fish & Chip shop was Povey & Wade (a double shop) on the corner of Kings Road west, an electrical, lighting and musical instrument retailers. Later they moved to Thatcham for a while, before disappearing.
Coming back towards the library, next I believe was Seward's - estate agents, then Earthy's jewellers.

Opposite Blue Cross, and to the left of the King Charles was the pet shop, with offices above which housed Bennett's (insurance agent) and a B.R.S. franchise parcel receiving office and delivery, run by Miss Gould, sister of John Gould, the lock keeper. To the left, The Laurel chinese restaurant was there then, as was a Bollom Drycleaners receiving shop, before you get to the Welcome Cafe, and past them an old fashioned Gents Outfitters, whose name I can't recall.

Opposite, and next to The Newmarket Inn was Quartermains, an electrical television retailers. that block also contained a tobacconist, a cobblers, and Fishers greengrocers at the far end, before Plenty's factory, that continued opposite the Post Office, up to the shoe shop, which remains, but under a different name. There was a dentist's above the middle of this parade, called Budd - better known as Budd the butcher!

Down Kings Road West was Newbury Mineral Water depot on the left hand side, and on the right was a courtyard which housed a few small units, including a cabinet maker, and also used by Fishers for storage, and their market stall, which would be wheeled down the street every Thurs and Sat., to the market place.

There are other units between that I have missed out as I do not remember them all.


That's absolutely brilliant-what a memory-obviously the 'Old Timers Disease' hasn't kicked in yet-well done!
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There was also a Model Makers shop somewhere near the Empire Cafe.


Do you mean the Fobel shop? I think they took over when Povey and Wade moved to Thatcham.
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The model shop was between the pet shop and the Laurel, it later moved upstairs to one of the shops (now the hairdressers?) between Cheap shreet and the (now) bus station.
I used to spend a lot of time in there and Povey and Wades record department in the early 70's when I was at school in Newbury.
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That's absolutely brilliant-what a memory

Not that good; he posted the same information twice!

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A builder I know has been working in the roof space of the now closed chinese restaurant opposite the cinema and found an old box of the accounts and ledgers for the shop when it was a gents outfitters and covers the period 1890 to about 1910 There are meticulous notes in his ledger which is unfortunately not in very good condition, covered in soot and dirt. There are also a few "Tally" books. These list people who have bought on credit and then paid either weekly or at the end of the month. Masses of local names, including one of my ancestors. Seems like from the paperwork, the shop owner in 1890 was a Mr Rolfe and a Mr Wise after about 1905.
This old picture shows the shop on the extreme right was taken about 1900



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