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Newbury's reputation as one of the dearest towns to buy a pint of beer could be about to end. Newbury.net can reveal that Wetherspoons have ended a 10 year wait to open up in town, after buying the Berkshire Tavern in the Market Place.
Pub sources told us that the discount pub chain snapped up the 350 year old former hotel this week, and will soon complete a fit-out and put an end to rip-off pub prices in the town centre.
City analysts say JD Wetherspoon is taking advantage of record numbers of pub closures across the UK.
Elsewhere, the Waggon & Horses, Bricklayers, George & Pelican, Blue Ball, and Starting Gate have either closed for refurbishment or changed hands, and nationally the number of pubs closing has gone from 27 a week to 50 a week. |
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Doesn't really change much though does it. I mean there will still be the same sort of people going in there |
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Doesn't really change much though does it. I mean there will still be the same sort of people going in there
Now they'll be able to get even more drunk per £. |
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Elsewhere, the Waggon & Horses, Bricklayers, George & Pelican, Blue Ball, and Starting Gate have either closed for refurbishment or changed hands, and nationally the number of pubs closing has gone from 27 a week to 50 a week.
I heard a rumour that the Falmouth Arms in Woolhampton had closed, is this true or false !! |
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Now they'll be able to get even more drunk per £.
The Berkshire Tavern ( The Hatchet, Chav Tav, etc) was already a cheap pub. |
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The Berkshire Tavern ( The Hatchet, Chav Tav, etc) was already a cheap pub.
True, branding itself the Chav Tav didn't really leave much guessing as to what it's clientele might be like. |
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True, branding itself the Chav Tav didn't really leave much guessing as to what it's clientele might be like.
Oh did it brand itself that, I don't remember seeing any signage with that on. I thought it was just the meanie locals who tarred it with that name |
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Oh did it brand itself that, I don't remember seeing any signage with that on. I thought it was just the meanie locals who tarred it with that name
They sold T-Shirts with the Chav Tav branding on. |
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They sold T-Shirts with the Chav Tav branding on.
Sold? I wouldn't have thought they could give them away |
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The point is, it was already one of the cheap pubs.
The other day a manger from the SLB had the cheek to suggest that the price of a pint in the LSB reflects the quality of the beer and the outstanding service. Well I'm sorry, I have witnessed many examples where the claim that they are a bar with outstanding (good) service is simply not true.
I don't think it matters exactly whether we are having a £2.00 a pint pub or not, but it would be good, however, if places like the LSB (and others) could be put under pressure to modify their prices. I know of some less than attractive pubs in the town who are expensive.
Some of the problems with pubs is that they are simply poorly run. This is not helped by installing managers that are too inexperienced and poorly paid. |
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Newbury has wanted a Wetherspoons for a long time, according to many people on and off this site.
The "proof of the pudding" will be in the footfall through the doors.
Judging by some of the comments here i guess "newbury websters" will not be taking up the chance of cheaper beer. |
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The Berkshire Tavern is currently selling pints of Fosters for £1.65 and pints of bitter for £1.55.
I don't know what all the fuss is about Wetherspoons taking over, if anything they'll put up prices. |
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I heard a rumour that the Falmouth Arms in Woolhampton had closed, is this true or false !!
tis true. |
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Surely those who wish to see an end of the drunken, loutish and often violent behaviour in the market place should be campaigning for higher prices?
It has been suggested that a lot of this is to do with 'preloading', rather than cheap pints.
I'd happily pay a fiver a pint if it meant that one could enjoy a proper pint in a civilized manner in the centre of Newbury.
Nice if you can afford it, but I maintain, a decent landlord can serve reasonable priced beer and not have a yob problem, but we have very few decent landlords, sadly. |
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It has been suggested that a lot of this is to do with 'preloading', rather than cheap pints.
Pre-loading is indeed a bit of a problem, but expensive drinks would stop at least some of them coming into town Also, it might be a good time to point out that Wetherspoons last 'event' (promotion) was holding a 'happy-hour' between 09.30 and 10.30 a.m. on vodka and Redbull. Get giro from post office, methedone from Boots, (stand by the pharmacy door to be handed it), and then straight round to Wetherspoons to get bollocks'd by noon.....great times eh?
Nice if you can afford it, but I maintain, a decent landlord can server reasonable priced beer and not have a yob problem, but we have very few decent landlords, sadly.
Don't disagree with any of that, but landlords are in short supply because most of them are managers now and as such are merely stooges of the big breweries et.al. Threep. |
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Not realy applicable in this case - the Berkshire Tavern already has a premises licence, and it would be difficult to argue that the change of ownership would make much difference as it was already being run along similar lines to a Wetherspoons. If anything Wetherspoons coud be an improvement! |
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No, what I found interesting was that the Police paid for the objection themselves because the legal costs were less than the increased policing bill...
Certainly Shane C. (when he was in the old bill) swore that Wetherspoons would never get into Newbury. He used the increase in public disorder figures and the corresponding cost of policing the same to argue against them getting licenses. Shane has now gone, and WBC give out the licences.
Anyone who thinks having a Wetherspoons knocking out underpriced drinks all day long is going to enhance the ambiance of our 'market quarter' is sadly deluded. I'm sure that Chavs, supplicants, smack 'eads' crack 'eads and the unemployed generally will welcome this news. The rest of us will just be paying for the mess to be cleared up.
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Certainly Shane C. (when he was in the old bill) swore that Wetherspoons would never get into Newbury.
He seemed to go out of his way to prevent anyone new from opening in Newbury. A friend of mine wanted to open a late night cocktail bar in the south of the town, targeting the over 25s. He went out of his way to prevent that from getting off the ground, despite councillor approval. Ironically, he never seemed that fussed by the places that did cause him problems - for some reason...
He used the increase in public disorder figures and the corresponding cost of policing the same to argue against them getting licenses. Shane has now gone, and WBC give out the licences.
And they have taken the licence away if the enterprise proves to attract 'the wrong crowd' (Bar Cuba).
Anyone who thinks having a Wetherspoons knocking out underpriced drinks all day long is going to enhance the ambiance of our 'market quarter' is sadly deluded. I'm sure that Chavs, supplicants, smack 'eads' crack 'eads and the unemployed generally will welcome this news. The rest of us will just be paying for the mess to be cleared up. Threep.
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What i dont understand is that if a pub chooses to sell cheap alcohol everyone seems to be in uproar but you can go 2 minutes out of town to Sainsburys or Tesco and buy all the cheap alcohol you want and no one bats an eyelid.
To be honest i am pretty sick of paying £3.20 - £3.50 for a pint of Guinness just because i choose to drink it in a bar and not at home from a can so i say welcome to Weatherspoons. Like 99% of the population i can go out and have a drink no matter what the price and have a good time without causing any trouble but the press and obviously a lot of people on here want to focus on the minority and make that out to be the norm. |
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No, no-ones making them out to be the norm, but they will be the ones responsible for the extra policing and the extra expenses.
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Certainly Shane C. (when he was in the old bill) swore that Wetherspoons would never get into Newbury. He used the increase in public disorder figures and the corresponding cost of policing the same to argue against them getting licenses. Shane has now gone, and WBC give out the licences.
"perhaps he had alternative reasons for objecting to the opening of new venues"
Anyone who thinks having a Wetherspoons knocking out underpriced drinks all day long is going to enhance the ambiance of our 'market quarter' is sadly deluded. I'm sure that Chavs, supplicants, smack 'eads' crack 'eads and the unemployed generally will welcome this news. The rest of us will just be paying for the mess to be cleared up.
What makes you so sure that the "Chavs etc" are the only people to welcome Wetherspoons, i am positive that the many other people would welcome a cheap drink and meal, especially the older generation who have very little extra funds to enjoy some time out.
Surely if the pub is managed correctley then it can only help to bring more customers to the market place and also make other establishments in the area be more competative.
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What i dont understand is that if a pub chooses to sell cheap alcohol everyone seems to be in uproar but you can go 2 minutes out of town to Sainsburys or Tesco and buy all the cheap alcohol you want and no one bats an eyelid.
To be honest i am pretty sick of paying £3.20 - £3.50 for a pint of Guinness just because i choose to drink it in a bar and not at home from a can so i say welcome to Weatherspoons. Like 99% of the population i can go out and have a drink no matter what the price and have a good time without causing any trouble but the press and obviously a lot of people on here want to focus on the minority and make that out to be the norm.
I agree with what you say and i am sure that the people on this site who do not agree with the opening of Wetherspoons will make no difference to the turnover and popularity of the pub. I would be interested to know how many of the objectors will drink there once it is open. |
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I would be interested to know how many of the objectors will drink there once it is open.
Not I. There's a lot to be said for self-respect. Mine aint for sale at cheap prices. Besides, I gotta watch the pennies now that there will extra policing costs added into my Community Tax next year. As for the elderly question, this online review by a punter of the Full Moon at Dudley maybe covers it.. "I walked into this wetherspoons establishment and within 10 minutes I had been asked if i had a spare cigarette by a youth dressed in a burberry baseball cap and tracksuit. When i replied "no" i got a funny look and then felt very uneasy as the youth and his friends kept giving me the eye. I couldn't believe it when another 5 minutes later someone else asked if I had a spare cigarette. I decided to leave the public house and on my way out felt very uneasy. Apart from the very intimidating youths in the pub, there also was a large amount of drunk elderly people. I would not recommend this pub to anyone. Wetherspoons you should be ashamed"Threep. |
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Your elderly person anecdote could easily apply to the recent The Berkshire Tavern. I found it rather slum like in there. I don't think being a Wetherspoon's pub will make much difference; just give it a few weeks to get the idiots barred and it'll be back with the usual bums. |
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Your elderly person anecdote could easily apply to the recent The Berkshire Tavern. I found it rather slum like in there. I don't think being a Wetherspoon's pub will make much difference; just give it a few weeks to get the idiots barred and it'll be back with the usual bums.
Exactly right. These people getting in a fuss over Wetherspoons have obviously never been in the Berkshire Tavern. if anything prices will go up when or if Wetherspoon takes over. |
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Not I. There's a lot to be said for self-respect. Mine aint for sale at cheap prices. Besides, I gotta watch the pennies now that there will extra policing costs added into my Community Tax next year.
As for the elderly question, this online review by a punter of the Full Moon at Dudley maybe covers it..
"I walked into this wetherspoons establishment and within 10 minutes I had been asked if i had a spare cigarette by a youth dressed in a burberry baseball cap and tracksuit. When i replied "no" i got a funny look and then felt very uneasy as the youth and his friends kept giving me the eye. I couldn't believe it when another 5 minutes later someone else asked if I had a spare cigarette. I decided to leave the public house and on my way out felt very uneasy. Apart from the very intimidating youths in the pub, there also was a large amount of drunk elderly people. I would not recommend this pub to anyone. Wetherspoons you should be ashamed"
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Exactly right. These people getting in a fuss over Wetherspoons have obviously never been in the Berkshire Tavern.
if anything prices will go up when or if Wetherspoon takes over.
Are you saying that Wetherspoons are not taking over this establishment ?? |
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I hardly think the Weatherspoons name above an already established pub in the town centre will greatly increase you community tax next year!
What you hardly think is neither here nor there. At the moment the old bill expects to get extra plod out'n'about after 22.00, when Liquid et.al. kick out, and and on special days such as race days. Because of the Wetherspoons ethos of cheap drinking from breakfast time onwards there will be a corresponding increase in drunken behavior all through the day. This will cause a demand for more old bill to deal with it, and this in turn will cost extra on the Community Tax. You will see from the link posted above that one police force found it was actually cheaper to go to court to appeal a decision when weighed against the cost of extra manpower. They won. Threep. |
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Because of the Wetherspoons ethos of cheap drinking from breakfast time onwards there will be a corresponding increase in drunken behavior all through the day. This will cause a demand for more old bill to deal with it, and this in turn will cost extra on the Community Tax.
I'm not sure Wetherspoons will sell as much alcohol before lunch as Tesco's or Sainsbury's.
You will see from the link posted above that one police force found it was actually cheaper to go to court to appeal a decision when weighed against the cost of extra manpower. They won.
But that was a different issue - Wetherspoon's were applying for a licence for an extra pub in that town - the police stated that it was not Wetherspoons they were against, they would have objected to anyone applying for a new premises licence. |
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If they (the supermarkets) had Vodka and RedBull 'happy hours' at 09.30 and allowed drinking on the premises, I suspect things might be a little different..
Nothing stopping people from buying and taking away, as is currently quite common, especially the amount of under-age people about that seem to get their hands on, presumably, supermarket supplied alcohol. At least a pub is a 'controlled' environment.
It seems to me that Watford have a general drink and bad behaviour problem. Although unsightly, I wouldn't say that, unless there's a big race meeting on, we have a particularly bad behavioural problem compared to anywhere else.
They even claimed they were acting responsibly when they were charging 99p a pint: http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?storycode=62350
I'm not sure I understand it properly, but it seems it is a pint for 99p (per session), in other words, one drink at that price. If so, I'm not sure that is an especially bad thing.
However, time will tell. I can't think of any outbreaks of drunken or violent behaviour outside the Chav Tav during the daylight hours. Let's see how long it is before plod get called once it's under new ownership eh? Threep.
Like I said, it should only be a little while before the idiots are barred and it's back to being the dive it has been for a while now. |
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What you hardly think is neither here nor there.
Because of the Wetherspoons ethos of cheap drinking from breakfast time onwards there will be a corresponding increase in drunken behavior all through the day. This will cause a demand for more old bill to deal with it, and this in turn will cost extra on the Community Tax.
You've just fallen for the media hype around Wetherspoons and haven't really read anything that's been posted here. No wonder you think his opinion doesn't matter. The Berkshire Tavern offer cheap all-day drinking from £1.55 a pint at the moment. Very little will change if Wetherspoons take over. |
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The Berkshire Tavern offer cheap all-day drinking from £1.55 a pint
Of what? |
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No wonder you think his opinion doesn't matter.
The Berkshire Tavern offer cheap all-day drinking from £1.55 a pint at the moment. Very little will change if Wetherspoons take over.
I didn't say his opinion didn't matter...if you read it I said what he hardly thought was neither here nor there. 'Hardly' being his word. As to an increase in drunken anti social behaviour? as I said.....time will tell. But I suspect this thread will be returned to once things are up and running. Threep. |
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Of what?
They do a lager and a bitter (John Smith's I think) at low prices - which I thought were £1.65 (from glancing at the adverts in the window as I walked past yesterday). Wethered's are more likely to do a decent bitter and cheaper - but I'm not sure that matters to anyone seeking to drink massive quantities in order to get legless. However, it is more likely to persuade me to go in - as I would rather drink cask conditioned beer than John Smith's - and I certainly don't mind paying less. |
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Of what?
Bitter, John Smiths I think. Fosters is £1.65 a pint. |
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Cheap booze should add fuel to the quite brightly burning fire of mindless vandalism. Coming along Shaw Road this morning I saw at least seven cars with smashed windows. I doubt they were broken into as most of the glass was intact in the cars. Just mindless vandalism. |
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Cheap booze should add fuel to the quite brightly burning fire of mindless vandalism. Coming along Shaw Road this morning I saw at least seven cars with smashed windows. I doubt they were broken into as most of the glass was intact in the cars. Just mindless vandalism.
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Wetherspoons haven't even moved in yet!
Exactly, that's why I said "Cheap booze should add fuel ......" |
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JD Wetherspoon have confirmed that they have purchased the Berkshire Tavern (Previously the Hatchet). They intend to spend nearly one million pounds on a refit, and will be reopening in January 2010. All existing staff will be retained.
Unconfirmed reports indicate that Wetherspoons are also evaluating the new pub in the cinema complex. Perhaps a Lloyds No 1 Bar. This would be on the corner where the old Newmarket inn was demolished in the sixties. |
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Wetherspoons will move the Kitchen and toilets in the Berkshire Tavern upstairs to make more room for the public, the group company are also in the running to open Lloyds within the cinema area.
The Nags Head is up for sale as well if anyone is interested |
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Wetherspoons will move the Kitchen and toilets in the Berkshire Tavern upstairs to make more room for the public, the group company are also in the running to open Lloyds within the cinema area.
The Nags Head is up for sale as well if anyone is interested
I phoned Wetherspoon customer services department today to try and get some more details about their plans for the Berkshire Tavern (being renamed back to The Hatchet, according to NWNews). I was told that they had no news of a Wetherspoon pub in Newbury. Are you able to advise the source of your information concerning the new layout within the Berkshire Tavern/ Hatchet? Some postings raise concerns about cheap beer fuelling drunken disorder. I am not expecting a Wetherspoon pub to lead to any increase in problems. Wetherspoon pubs are usually designed to appeal to a broad cross-section of the public including dining families and real ale drinkers. Do you have any further news about the possibility of a Lloyds (Wetherspoon) bar under the new cinema? I would also be interested in the source of the news about the Nags Head being up for sale. |
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I phoned Wetherspoon customer services department today to try and get some more details about their plans for the Berkshire Tavern (being renamed back to The Hatchet, according to NWNews).
I emailed them a couple of weeks back suggesting that they went back to being the Hatchet (a good enough name for 250years) - and pointing out that they might not wish to continue as the Chav Tav. I wonder if someone actually read my missive? However, I got no reply, either to deny that they had bought the place or otherwise. |
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I phoned Wetherspoon customer services department today to try and get some more details about their plans for the Berkshire Tavern (being renamed back to The Hatchet, according to NWNews). I was told that they had no news of a Wetherspoon pub in Newbury. Are you able to advise the source of your information concerning the new layout within the Berkshire Tavern/ Hatchet?
Some postings raise concerns about cheap beer fuelling drunken disorder. I am not expecting a Wetherspoon pub to lead to any increase in problems. Wetherspoon pubs are usually designed to appeal to a broad cross-section of the public including dining families and real ale drinkers.
Do you have any further news about the possibility of a Lloyds (Wetherspoon) bar under the new cinema?
I would also be interested in the source of the news about the Nags Head being up for sale.
Its a matter of not what you know here, The Berkshire Tavern is NOW under refurbishment to open in January as The Hatchet under the Wetherspoon banner. The Nags Head is up for grabs as is The Black Horse, Thatcham among several other establishments in the area. Lloyds have expressed and registered their interest in a bar under the cinema. Can i help you further ? |
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| Victoriajg7 |
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Lloyds have expressed and registered their interest in a bar under the cinema.
Are you sure 'who you know' is giving you correct information? |
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| brian newman |
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Are you sure 'who you know' is giving you correct information?
95% of his information is correct and has been so far. |
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| blackdog |
| December 9, 2009, 12:22pm |
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95% of his information is correct and has been so far.
However, I suspect Factfile is far more 'in the know' when it comes to the units under the cinema. |
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| Victoriajg7 |
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Wetherspoons do have a further requirement for Newbury but they need 5,000+ sq ft. The units under the cinema are big, but not that big! |
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Wetherspoons do have a further requirement for Newbury but they need 5,000+ sq ft. The units under the cinema are big, but not that big!
Why not point them at the old Woolworths shop; must be big enough.  Mind you its probably big enough for an arts and youth centre as well... |
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Why not point them at the old Woolworths shop; must be big enough. Mind you its probably big enough for an arts and youth centre as well...
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As long as it helps to reduce the overpricing of ale around Newbury I will be happy, as I will if we start getting more choice of beers from around the region. I believe Wetherspoons have a policy of regularly changing guest beers. |
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As long as it helps to reduce the overpricing of ale around Newbury I will be happy, as I will if we start getting more choice of beers from around the region. I believe Wetherspoons have a policy of regularly changing guest beers.
They sell whatever they can get cheap, which is sort of the dame thing. |
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They sell whatever they can get cheap, which is sort of the dame thing.
There is nothing like a dame. |
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Wetherspoons do have a further requirement for Newbury but they need 5,000+ sq ft. The units under the cinema are big, but not that big!
Wetherspoons do have a requirement and i am sure that if the small units do not suit then i am sure that 2 inti 1 will go if there are no other takers ? |
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Wetherspoons do have a requirement and i am sure that if the small units do not suit then i am sure that 2 inti 1 will go if there are no other takers ?
I'm sure it would but I'm also sure if that were possible it would have happened. |
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| December 9, 2009, 10:20pm |
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I emailed Wetherspoons via their website a couple of days after the announcement that they had bought the building. 4/5 days later i had a reply stating that they thank me for taking an interest and that they shall pass the comments on to the accquisitions department. |
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| December 9, 2009, 10:21pm |
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I emailed Wetherspoons via their website a couple of days after the announcement that they had bought the building. 4/5 days later i had a reply stating that they thank me for taking an interest and that they shall pass the comments on to the accquisitions department.
Interesting - I didn't get a reply - even more likely that no one read my email! |
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