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October 8, 2009, 3:26pm Report to Moderator
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I see the Royal Mail's postmen are about unleash yet another round of anarchy against us with its inevitable destruction of jobs and the livelihood of the public.

The union in charge of this utter outrage are clearly stuck in the stone age.

The only answer is to SACK ALL STRIKING POSTAL STAFF IMMEDIATELY WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.

Job cuts are required in the Royal Mail. The most rational step now then is to fire those staff who start trouble.
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October 8, 2009, 11:19pm Report to Moderator
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I bet that's what UPS would like. No postal service for months when Fencer's plan is implemented
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Adam Crozier, Chief Exec. of Royal Mail....

In November 2007, the Daily Telegraph reported that he had received a 26% pay increase in base pay, taking out £1,256,000 in 2007. His achievements in this year included shrinking the workforce by 45,000, and closing 4,600 post offices, with another 2,500 to follow. The goal of this reduction in workforce and in retail outlets was to increase profitability of the corporation (which had made a profit of £537m in 2004/5, dropping to around £300 million in 2005/6, dropping to £233 million in 2006/7, to the point where the corporation was running a £10 million/annum trading deficit in 2007).

In 2008, the BBC reported that Royal Mail's trading position had worsened dramatically to an annual loss of £279 million a year in financial 2007. Crozier's remuneration almost tripled to £3 million

Mr Crozier is, in case you weren't aware from the above, is on a 'performance' bonus. The more he destroys the Post Office the more he gets. The plan is to break it so much that only 'part privatization' will save the day....(or at least that is what we will be told)

The union has offered a three-month moratorium on industrial action in a bid to reach an agreement with the Royal Mail on modernising the business. This offer has been declined by Crozier. Fancy that.

fencer tells us that (more) job cuts are required in the Royal Mail  but dosen't tell us why. Certainly the cuts in staff over the last few years has not resulted in anything like profitability...only Crozier getting richer. Why would cutting even more jobs now suddenly make the whole thing soar back into profit?

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October 10, 2009, 1:43pm Report to Moderator

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The only answer is to SACK ALL STRIKING POSTAL STAFF IMMEDIATELY WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.
I'm not sure illegally sacking people standing up for their employment rights is the best way forward.

The compensation bill would be huge. Perhaps you could tell us why job cuts are needed?
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Threep has eloquently rehashed the millionaire boss vs poor worker tale, which has been doing the rounds for more than a century in one form or another.

Of course, as a state stooge, there's nothing you can do about Crozier's salary. If however, it was privatised, he would be accountable to shareholders who may have a different take.

Either way, industrial action is high risk for an unskilled workforce, when there's 3m on the dole. So, yes....sack them all. Anyone who can read, cycle and carry a bag will happily take their place.  



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Threep has eloquently rehashed the millionaire boss vs poor worker tale,


If you can disprove any of what I said, feel free. I was answering fencers point, which I suspected was made with his usual lack of knowledge of both sides of the argument. What really annoys him is that the ordinary decent people of this country stood up and stopped people who think like him back in '39 to '45. You'll notice he's been asked twice how sacking even more would return it profitability, but he has failed to answer.

Anyone who thinks that the 'little shareholders' can have any influence over the block votes of the major institutions obviously hasn't been paying attention since Marconi went tits-up.


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October 12, 2009, 1:36pm Report to Moderator
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Why would cutting even more jobs now suddenly make the whole thing soar back into profit?

Threep


There is hardly a postman in the country that works his full shift. Fact. Royal Mail is a dinosaur.
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October 12, 2009, 2:03pm Report to Moderator

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There is hardly a postman in the country that works his full shift.


That's down to poor management, is it not?

But you are right though, always best to do a full days work for a full day's pay....lead by example and all that....so Crozier must really be rushed, what with helping to run Debenhams and Camelot as well. Of course he's got previous on all this, he came very close to being sacked at Mars when they found he'd been falsifying figures. Let's not forget he was also the man who brought Sven to the England football team. At that point they started to do more for gossip and fashion mags they they ever did for their country.

You can only judge an  'orse by the races it's run...


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October 12, 2009, 3:02pm Report to Moderator
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That's down to poor management, is it not?

Threep.


No. It is down to unions refusing to work the hours they are paid for. It is at the heart of modernisation and the bit that the CWU won't accept as if every postie worked full shifts, we could lose 20% of the postman. I don't know if you've ever run a business, but imagine running one in which the staff go home two hours early every day. Crozier may be all those things you say, but it doesn't change the fact that the post office is having to compete with one arm tied behind its back.
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October 12, 2009, 4:29pm Report to Moderator

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Go on then...show us ONE example of a union refusing to work the hours they're paid for.

If some people in a firm (any firm) take the piss and sidle off early and get away with it....that IS a failing of management. It can be nothing else.


Threep.

And yes, I do run a business.
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October 12, 2009, 5:48pm Report to Moderator
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Threep - why must you spoil the fun by keep repeating the bl***ing obvious!  
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...You'll notice he's been asked twice how sacking even more would return it profitability, but he has failed to answer.

I don't know the full story, but I understand every stamped letter loses the Royal Mail 5.6p (£185,000,000.00 a year).  Also, I read that the number of letters and parcels passing through the business is falling by 10% each year, losing it £170,000,000.00 per year.  This suggests to me they have to reduce operating costs which will mean less labour (fewer mail and parcels to deliver means one doesn't need so many postal workers).  I suggest, therefore, less work to do means fewer workers required, which means smaller wage bill, which means profit increases (or at least the rate of loss slows down).
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October 12, 2009, 6:39pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Threepwood
Go on then...show us ONE example of a union refusing to work the hours they're paid for.

If some people in a firm (any firm) take the piss and sidle off early and get away with it....that IS a failing of management. It can be nothing else.


Threep.

And yes, I do run a business.


It's not some, it's all. It was/is the accepted way of working. "Clear this area of mail sacks and go home. Finish my round, then go home." That's how the PO operates.
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October 12, 2009, 7:13pm Report to Moderator
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So it might be – and yet again demonstrates appalling management.  This is real 1970’s British Leyland stuff.  What species of idiot 'manager' would think for one moment that  ‘work and finish’ is acceptable and appropriate these days? At the very least, it means work hasn't been measured properly, itself a management failure.
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So it might be – and yet again demonstrates appalling management.  This is real 1970’s British Leyland stuff.  What species of idiot 'manager' would think for one moment that  ‘work and finish’ is acceptable and appropriate these days?.

They don't think is is acceptable.  There is a constant battle between shop floor and management about this.  Delivery times are quite tight on a busy day, but should the post be light then the postie knows that sorting awaits him back at the office.  They are not meant to knob off after a delivery.
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